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Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

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M0nica Sat 08-May-21 15:38:06

Continuation

suziewoozie Sat 08-May-21 23:08:45

MayBee70

He still, imo, has handled the pandemic badly and is responsible for people losing their lives.

This is true. Remember all the promises about Christmas and the going back to school - for one day? People died who didn’t need to. The fact that our relative position has changed does not mean that he handled the pandemic well until this year that is.

MayBee70 Sat 08-May-21 23:14:36

Urmstongran

The world loves a trier MayBee.

We’re talking about people’s lives here. Does it amuse you?

suziewoozie Sat 08-May-21 23:20:46

May nothing here to be remotely proud or amused about
www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

MayBee70 Sat 08-May-21 23:23:49

The India variant has only now become a variant of concern. Better late than never I suppose....

overthehill Sat 08-May-21 23:30:48

So I read, the people of Hartlepool voted to leave the EU by 70%. The prospective Labour MP's agenda was to overturn Brexit. Did he seriously think that would catch on.

Alegrias1 Sat 08-May-21 23:31:24

MayBee70

He still, imo, has handled the pandemic badly and is responsible for people losing their lives.

That is true. Doesn't mean we can make things up about death rates though.

suziewoozie Sat 08-May-21 23:33:28

That is true as is the fact that our death rate is nothing to be proud of.

Alegrias1 Sat 08-May-21 23:36:10

Agreed.

growstuff Sun 09-May-21 01:42:47

Mollygo

growstuff

PS. That article is nonsense and conflates a number of issues.

It depended on what you were earning. You may dismiss the article, maybe it isn’t clear enough for you, but for those affected it had a real impact. If you weren’t affected, lucky you. That will explain why you are sceptical.
For my DH it meant a loss of double figures per annum from his projected pension and we are aware of that now.

Double figures? £10 is double figures.

The pensions I now have are paying out exactly what they promised when I paid into them over nearly 50 years.

growstuff Sun 09-May-21 01:45:05

PS. The article was written in 2010 and contradicts itself. It was also before all the changes the Conservatives have made to pensions over the last 11 years. Unfortunately, they still haven't made the one change which would make the system fairer and would save the Treasury billions, which is to abolish higher rate tax relief on pension payments.

Calendargirl Sun 09-May-21 07:59:50

Perhaps some of the reasons for our high Covid death rate are our ageing population, our obesity figures, and our many health issues which are all contributory factors.

Can’t all be blamed on Boris.

Mollygo Sun 09-May-21 08:04:08

Calendargirl

Perhaps some of the reasons for our high Covid death rate are our ageing population, our obesity figures, and our many health issues which are all contributory factors.

Can’t all be blamed on Boris.

And our refusal to wear masks, our desperate urge to crowd together, our reluctance to isolate. . .
Of course you can’t blame it all on Boris, but it makes some folk feel good to do so.

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 08:05:35

Calendargirl

Perhaps some of the reasons for our high Covid death rate are our ageing population, our obesity figures, and our many health issues which are all contributory factors.

Can’t all be blamed on Boris.

The real test of a high death rate from COVID is the excess death figures as this compares the previous 5 year average . The ONS produce these figures and they match up ( and last time I looked ) exceeded the numbers of Covid deaths.

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 08:09:31

Useful article on this
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799

Mollygo Sun 09-May-21 08:16:21

Oh and Growstuff, I made an error. It was double figures of thousands per annum we lost, i.e. quintuple figures. (Quintuple means 5)
If it didn’t affect you, lucky you.
Dismissing something as impossible because it hasn’t happened to you is like saying no one else can have toothache because you never have.
But if it keeps you busy, do continue your ‘it can’t be true’ posts.

growstuff Sun 09-May-21 08:24:58

I never knew quintuple meant 5. Fancy that!

Mollygo Sun 09-May-21 09:28:47

growstuff

I never knew quintuple meant 5. Fancy that!

Glad to have been of help. I can send you the Google link if you need reassurance.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-May-21 09:51:47

suziewoozie

Useful article on this
www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799

Thank you.

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 09:59:55

Mollygo

Calendargirl

Perhaps some of the reasons for our high Covid death rate are our ageing population, our obesity figures, and our many health issues which are all contributory factors.

Can’t all be blamed on Boris.

And our refusal to wear masks, our desperate urge to crowd together, our reluctance to isolate. . .
Of course you can’t blame it all on Boris, but it makes some folk feel good to do so.

Then someone should make it mandatory. Hmm, who could that be? And who could have made mask wearing mandatory last spring. Who could have looked at how eastern countries were controlling the virus hmm?

Urmstongran Sun 09-May-21 10:17:07

I think the jury is out (amongst scientists) about mask wearing. I’m hoping no more masks after the summer!

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-May-21 10:31:00

The WHO were against mask wearing at the beginning of the panic.

They can (and do) give people a false sense of security, so many are worn incorrect, not changed frequently.

Mollygo Sun 09-May-21 10:52:06

MayBee, it became quite obvious even on GN that in the UK and other places, many people do not ‘do’ mandatory. They see it as an infringement of their human rights and drag up conspiracy theories and other reasons why they should not cooperate. e.g. they don’t like the political party in power, his hair is a mess, and I even heard, “It’s not fair” given as a reason.

Strangely enough, I’m not defending BJ.
I thought some things could have been done a different way at the time, and that’s without the ‘what I would have done’ benefit of hindsight.

I agree with you that it should have been mandatory, but how to make it mandatory?
In the UK, if people don’t like something they’ve been told to do, they don’t just refuse to do it, they hold peaceful meetings called riots to protest. They injure the police who are there to impose the rule. They side with the mother, fined for breaking a rule and demand a let off and an apology.
I watched NZ. Their lockdown was better than ours, smaller country, fewer opportunities for cross contamination, but again depended on the cooperation of the population.
I was impressed by the information in this link
coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/pub0003/
Yes, the governments there acted-not soon enough to stop the virus getting out in the first place, but the population presumably obeyed.
Here, obedience is not the norm for many.
Even on GN posters talked about what they see as the ‘*right*’ thing to do.
So how does this, or any UK government make it mandatory?
Arm the police? What do you think would happen?
Make fines compulsory and ignore the cries of ‘I can’t afford it?’
I’d really like to know what you think could be done to make mandatory happen. It would be useful to know not just now, but for future governments.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 10:55:25

I notice that in USA they wear two masks.

I shall continue to wear a mask in enclosed crowded spaces, although I shall avoid those as much as possible.

We are all aware that in the east where the control of covid has been far better than in this country, mask wearing is common and whilst it is not the only thing that will protect us it is certainly a factor.

Mollygo Sun 09-May-21 11:20:42

In the USA they wear two masks. Apart from those who still refuse to wear even one, sadly including some I know.
I too will be wearing a mask in enclosed or crowded spaces for quite a while.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-May-21 11:39:57

Whitewavemark2

I notice that in USA they wear two masks.

I shall continue to wear a mask in enclosed crowded spaces, although I shall avoid those as much as possible.

We are all aware that in the east where the control of covid has been far better than in this country, mask wearing is common and whilst it is not the only thing that will protect us it is certainly a factor.

29 States have masks mandates 26 have not according to USnews website.