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Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

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M0nica Sat 08-May-21 15:38:06

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MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 12:22:13

GrannyGravy13

The WHO were against mask wearing at the beginning of the panic.

They can (and do) give people a false sense of security, so many are worn incorrect, not changed frequently.

Is this the WHO that didn’t stop flights coming out of China last year. And said the virus wasn’t airborne?

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 12:26:58

Whitewavemark2

I notice that in USA they wear two masks.

I shall continue to wear a mask in enclosed crowded spaces, although I shall avoid those as much as possible.

We are all aware that in the east where the control of covid has been far better than in this country, mask wearing is common and whilst it is not the only thing that will protect us it is certainly a factor.

And in eastern countries people wear masks out of respect for others so that they do not pass on germs and viruses to them. It’s a culture thing and one that we should learn from. There’s a sad I’m alright Jack culture in this country that disappoints me and covid has really shown how selfish many people are.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-May-21 12:37:28

MayBee70 I am not sure whereabouts in the UK you are but round here Covid has brought out the best in folks.

Neighbours are helping each other, the support for local independent businesses is immense. There has been a real sense of community, camaraderie and togetherness.

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 12:42:37

Masks lying in the street: people not socially distancing themselves from others. People desperate to find a reason not to wear masks even though mask wearing in other countries has helped control the virus.....

Jaxjacky Sun 09-May-21 13:34:32

Japan has rising cases even though they wear masks and have called a state of emergency in some areas, however, they are extremely slow on their vaccine rollout.

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 13:41:36

It isn’t a case of either or. I can’t do a link to the cheese picture but every single thing adds up to greater protection from the virus. No one thing will eliminate it completely but lots of little things will. It’s no great imposition to wear a mask (although some people think it is) and it probably does help. How many people would be happy for surgeons to not wear masks if they have an operation? I just think people are constantly looking for excuses to not wear a mask. If there’s even a slight chance that it might protect me and people around me then I shall continue to wear one for the foreseeable future.

Mamie Sun 09-May-21 13:52:54

Chipping Norton has gone to Labour. ?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 13:59:09

Mamie

Chipping Norton has gone to Labour. ?

????

Mamie Sun 09-May-21 14:07:22

It is interesting isn't it. Worthing to Labour, Sevenoaks to LibDem, Tunbridge Wells to NOC.

vegansrock Sun 09-May-21 14:07:26

Labour has won the mayoral elections in 15 out of 18 towns and cities. Landslide victories in Salford , Liverpool and Greater Manchester. It’s a myth that Johnson has universal popularity. Yes, popular in Brexitty backwaters and the traditional Tory shires , but not in many parts of the U.K. Wish the right wing press would acknowledge that divisions have not gone away - There is not unconditional adoration of Johnson

Gannygangan Sun 09-May-21 14:09:12

There is not unconditional adoration of Johnson

Thank goodness

Imagine living in a society where everyone was expected to vote in the same way.

Not good.

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 14:10:04

Maybe those victories will make the headlines in the Sun (I’m not holding my breath though)....

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 14:39:46

I live in the remainer south and Johnson is not popular.

In fact I don’t recognise a lot of what grans in the north say.

Supporters of Labour in the south tend to be younger. Worthing has traditionally never return a labour councillor and now has 9

Brighton of course is Green whose support is growing.

Support is turning away from the Tories.

We are truly a country of division.

Casdon Sun 09-May-21 14:43:45

Chipping Norton is interesting, I don’t think you could get much more ‘shires’ - wasn’t David Cameron the leader of the Chipping Norton set?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 14:49:35

Kent voters who are feeling the direct result of Brexit and have previously voted Tory and Brexit have returned Labour councillors.

I think that what Labour and the Tories need to take from this is that they should all calm down, and understand that there seems to be a bigger realignment than first realised

Greeneyedgirl Sun 09-May-21 15:03:58

I live in a true blue and Brexit voting shire county, but the Tories lost 5 seats on the county council, with gains for Labour and Lib Dems,. The rural heartlands remain Tory, but their support is definitely on the wane in the county town wards here. Gives me hope for the future.

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 15:07:57

Casdon

Chipping Norton is interesting, I don’t think you could get much more ‘shires’ - wasn’t David Cameron the leader of the Chipping Norton set?

I have a friend who lives in Chippy and she is very Labour. I would imagine the party is very strong and well organised there. I must message her!

Casdon Sun 09-May-21 15:35:21

Yes, let us know Maybee70, there has to be an underlying reason as it really doesn’t fit the pattern.

Mamie Sun 09-May-21 15:39:32

I think it probably does fit the pattern for Oxfordshire. Tunbridge Wells is not altogether surprising, it was the only town in Kent that voted remain.

MerylStreep Sun 09-May-21 15:51:38

It’s quite sad really to see some posters grabbing at every crumb of comfort they can from these Labour victories despite the fact that the elections were an overwhelming success for the tories.

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 15:56:28

MerylStreep

It’s quite sad really to see some posters grabbing at every crumb of comfort they can from these Labour victories despite the fact that the elections were an overwhelming success for the tories.

You mean analysing a range of very different results in different areas is sad? Really? Given the range and difference across the 3 countries and within England, only someone with very little understanding of politics could believe the elections were an overwhelming success for the Tories.

lemongrove Sun 09-May-21 16:03:47

MerylStreep

It’s quite sad really to see some posters grabbing at every crumb of comfort they can from these Labour victories despite the fact that the elections were an overwhelming success for the tories.

Isn’t it though! ?

MayBee70 Sun 09-May-21 16:06:17

Maybe if Labours (and Greens and LibDem) successes weren’t ignored by the news media we wouldn’t have to.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-May-21 16:08:31

Once the figures have been analysed we will be able to get a better idea.

I am intrigued though with regard to the landslide success of Labour Mayors in the north and west. It will be fascinating to read the analysis of why this happened.

suziewoozie Sun 09-May-21 16:08:33

If anyone wants sad, watch this clip of two Hartlepool men who voted Tory and believe problems with their local hospital and courts are down to Labour. Watch the BBC man nodding along to the completely false narrative. And then cry at the lack of knowledge and the BBC being the broadcasting propaganda arm of no 10 ( aka The Ministry of Truth);

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