Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

Dinahmo
Same here Re Equitable Life. What made it worse was that quite by chance I found out how much our 4 directors received for going with them with our pensions.
All totally illegal, as we know, but it happened.

And I didnt see the interview but I wonder if he was trying to express a general view. It's no good telling people in the red wall seats that labour will make it all ok when they have had labour councils for 50 plus years and well it just isnt ok.

It could insist on the truth though. How can they claim to be impartial etc if they knowingly allow lies to be told without question?

Did no one tell these voters in Hartlepool just how much the Tory Government had axed the funding to the Labour Council?

What a brilliant ruse. Deprive the Council of funds then blame them for not being able to spend as they wanted on local services.

Because they would be arguing constantly with Joe Public and where would that get them?

PS.Arguing wouldn't make any difference s you can see on here.

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

varian

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

Can you post the email saying that? I can’t do stuff like that on my iPad. It was a real eye opener.

Or you could try and listen instead of expecting them to express things in exactly the way you would.

You wait. They’ll plough loads of money into Hartlepool and turn it into a sort of showcase.

Dinahmo

I think that the BBC is being blamed rather too much. People complain when the journalists disagree with the public and now (as above) when they don't. The political programmes all have fact checkers - at least the ones that I watch do.

With regard to CNN - they are not publicly funded. The BBC is and sadly has to deal with a Tory government constantly wanting to reduce its funding.

All the BBC had to say was the hospital and courts are paid for by the govt - or not broadcast it or add a piece to camera afterwards - and not nod like a demented dog.

Pork barrel politics

www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/hartlepool-by-election-2021-its-not-politics-its-a-protection-racket-labours-paul-williams-on-pork-barrel-politics-and-the-conservatives-appeal-3225029

Dinahmo

PS.Arguing wouldn't make any difference s you can see on here.

No but the BBC could have corrected what they said afterwards. Or does anything go now as long as it’s pro Tory?

Many constituencies with a newly elected Conservative MP have seen their areas benefit from money from initiatives like the Towns Fund. This has seen the Conservatives accused of pork-barrel politics since analysis shows that Conservative‐held areas (and in particular marginal Conservative‐held areas) are more likely to receive funding from this pot. But, rightly or wrongly, when voters are seeing areas with a Conservative MP are getting funding, it is understandable that they too may be tempted to vote Tory.

theconversation.com/hartlepool-by-election-inside-the-new-northern-conservatism-160393

And turning Hartlepool into a showcase town would be a bad thing because?

Oh I agree varian. It’s the Tories selling votes not the proper fault for bring bought.

It wouldn’t would it? All power to Hartlepool if they can persuade the government to spend money in their town by voting for them.

But I think the issue is that we appear to have a government who rather than acting in the national interest and spending money where it is most needed they are acting in their own interest and spending money where they think it would most profitably bring votes.

suziewoozie

Dinahmo

PS.Arguing wouldn't make any difference s you can see on here.

No but the BBC could have corrected what they said afterwards. Or does anything go now as long as it’s pro Tory?

I've only watched the clip that was posted, not the whole program, but I got the impression that the interviewer was just trying to get the speaker to keep talking, in a sort of "oh really, what else?" kind of way. Has anybody seen the follow up discussion?

Every party and every government indulges in pork-barrel politics if they can, surely that is what manifesto promises are all about and all but a saintly few vote for the party we feel will do the best for us and those groups we care about.

They would be insane to do anything else.

MayBee70

varian

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

Can you post the email saying that? I can’t do stuff like that on my iPad. It was a real eye opener.

Is this any use, MayBee?

Or did someone post an actual email saying something similar?

I expect a few of you are aware of "Lead by Donkeys" . They have produced a time line of failure (on the part of Johnson) which makes for interesting reading. For anyone interested, here's the web address timeline-of-failure.com

What everyone seems to be ignoring, or forgetting about, is that it is pretty certain that once the pandemic recedes Sunak will be cutting state funding like mad to supposedly shrink the deficit built up over the past 18 months. So, while there may be some money put into some areas the country over all will suffer.

The idea that there is going to be a post pandemic boom is, IMO, nuts. There may be a temporary one, but there will be loads of businesses that haven't made it, with the resultant job losses and, although some people have saved during the pandemic, there are people who lost their income, or were on furlough, who may be owing a load of money for rent, or wanting to build a nest egg against possible further 'national emergencies'.

I just don't think we're going to get the government spending bonanza that people seem to be expecting.

Then there is the Brexit effect....

MaizieD

MayBee70

varian

Then - and this is the masterstroke, bribe them to vote Tory by saying that only if their local representatives are Tory will they ever again get their fair share of spending.

Can you post the email saying that? I can’t do stuff like that on my iPad. It was a real eye opener.

Is this any use, MayBee?

Or did someone post an actual email saying something similar?

Yes. That’s the one. Thanks.

Elderly ladies insisting on every other sentence containing the word woke (a word from the black community) as an insult is such a grey and grizzled look in every way I can see. Really, really showing your age ladies.

Dinahmo

I expect a few of you are aware of "Lead by Donkeys" . They have produced a time line of failure (on the part of Johnson) which makes for interesting reading. For anyone interested, here's the web address timeline-of-failure.com

I'm currently reading the book by the two Times journalists 'Failure of the State' which examines the origins of the pandemic's coronavirus and details how the government coped with it in the UK. It doesn't make comfortable reading, though, to be honest, much of it was known at the time even though hotly denied by tory supporters on here