Queens speech

Can’t see the problem with ID cards. You need ID for almost everything these days. There is so much fraud and so many scams around, that what someone describes as a basic human right, also needs some verification- And even that will be imperfect. Imperfect people in an imperfect world - c’est la vie -

I detest posts like this. Just another complaining one. The Queen's Speech I'd just a guideline. It cannot cover everything in minute detail. So, stop complaining and wait.

NI has photo ID.

Year on year the numbers voting are decreasing.

The Government's 'Electoral Integrity' bill announced in the Queen's Speech has nothing to do with electoral integrity.

At its heart is a costly and unnecessary requirement for voters to present photo ID at polling stations - a voter suppression tactic imported from America. The bill also includes plans to make all elections in England use the unfair First Past The Post system.

In short, this Bill has little to do with safeguarding our elections, and everything to do with changing the rules to help the Conservative Party.

Unlock Democracy is leading the fight against the bill - if you support us, please sign our petition below.

secure.unlockdemocracy.org.uk/page/82336/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=email&ea.url.id=5303080

If the PM wants to give a speech to parliament he should do it himself.

Time to scrap the #QueensSpeech

Nothing says democracy like an unelected queen announcing the government's plan for voter suppression.

Well, it is clearly not 'done' and all the project fears have turned to project reality- so it is not surprising, is it?

He used to be a remainer too. Clearly a man of firm views.

Just popped back.
Oh god we’re back on the Brexit re-run.

“Beam me up Scottie”.

Thanks, I was looking for this! He said it again in 2016.

Returning to ID Cards. I expect someone has already posted this but it does show the man we are dealing with.

youtu.be/M38ID9WRSsk?t=4

Would remainers have been happy to pay (without choice) for everyone in the country to have a pro leave leaflet promoting the benefits of leaving and the awful consequences of remaining?

It would have been an awfully slight pamphlet

I reiterate. The pamphlet put out by the government was supposed to be a pros & cons thing for people to make their own minds up. Like we had in 1973 when we voted on remaining in the EEC.

As usual, being a tory government they got it completely wrong, though the cons. have turned out to be remarkably prescient, apart from the fact that they didn't happen overnight.

Gajahgran

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

Well you are entitled to your opinion. But I am afraid it just does not tally with the facts. Opinions often do! I am sure someone will provide a list that will show exactly this.

MayBee70

Was the leaflet full of lies as the leave leaflet was?

Only time will tell. There was a list of all the wonderful benefits of staying in the EU and some dire warnings about the dreadful consequences of leaving. It actually stated that staying in the EU was the best thing to do, so it was definitely not balanced at all. I would not have minded it it had been.
Would remainers have been happy to pay (without choice) for everyone in the country to have a pro leave leaflet promoting the benefits of leaving and the awful consequences of remaining?

Chestnut

MaizieD

Further to my post at 9.37, I'll remind people that the Electoral Commission did find 'Vote Leave' guilty of breaking electoral law and they were fined £20,000. A derisory amount, but sadly the maximum they are permitted to fine.

I would say the remain campaign did something which should have been illegal by sending out millions of very detailed 'vote remain' leaflets to every household in the country paid for by the taxpayer. Much worse than anything the leave campaign did in my opinion. I certainly feel angry at having paid out to support the remain campaign without my consent.

But not in the eye of the law and justice Chestnut. I do realise that many leave voters think themselves above the law - or want to be able to make it up - but that is what it says.

Was the leaflet full of lies as the leave leaflet was?

Sir Max Hastings, wrote in 2019-

"I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.

Tory MPs have launched this country upon an experiment in celebrity government, matching that taking place in Ukraine and the US, and it is unlikely to be derailed by the latest headlines. The Washington Post columnist George Will observes that Donald Trump does what his political base wants “by breaking all the china”. We can’t predict what a Johnson government will do, because its prospective leader has not got around to thinking about this. But his premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability."

Gajahgran

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

Eh? Doesn't seem very simple to me.

Am I in some kind of parallel universe?

Chestnut

MaizieD

Further to my post at 9.37, I'll remind people that the Electoral Commission did find 'Vote Leave' guilty of breaking electoral law and they were fined £20,000. A derisory amount, but sadly the maximum they are permitted to fine.

I would say the remain campaign did something which should have been illegal by sending out millions of very detailed 'vote remain' leaflets to every household in the country paid for by the taxpayer. Much worse than anything the leave campaign did in my opinion. I certainly feel angry at having paid out to support the remain campaign without my consent.

Still can't distinguish between a government leaflet, which, appalling though it was, was supposed to lay out the pros and cons of the alternatives, (like the one the government produced in 1973) and a campaign leaflet.

You think you know what I care about? Fair enough.

Gajahgran

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

I've been reading a book called 'Failures of the State' It's by two Sunday Times investigative reporters. So hardly left wing. It examines the government's actions over the past year in regard to the covid pandemic. And I can assure you that these journalists are actually quite sympathetic to Johnson when it's possible to be.

May be if people actually read about what went on they might not be so confident that Johnson is not a liar. We were continually lied to over last year.

There are hundreds of people calling him a liar in print, on the radio and on TV. Not to mention social media. Peter Oborne has even written a book about his habitual lying. I wonder why he hasn't been sued by Johnson for libel?

Perhaps it's because every lie Oborne details is absolutely verifiable.

Alegrias1

^should have been illegal^

Leave campaign did something that was actually illegal. But that's OK.

Remain did something that someone didn't like but wasn't illegal. Off with their heads.

Would you have been happy if you had paid for 'support leave' leaflets to be printed for every household in the country? No, I thought not.

There could well have been a social care plan in Autumn 2019 WWM2, but don’t forget that was before the world had ever heard of covid.

A properly funded plan would cost billions, so unfortunate though it is, it’s unaffordable at the moment.

I have long been in favour of compulsory ID cards, and there was nothing in the article referred to yesterday to change my mind.
It could well be a very efficient way of weeding out those who have no right to be here.

Kali2

One, very simple question. To all Johnson supporters here, who trust his plan and vision.

Is he, or is he not- an habitual liar. Simple yes, or no, will suffice.

I don't think people seem to care. They like him and his cavalier attitude because he somehow seems to muddle through, get things done and keeps going. Whatever you think of him, he has proved to be a strong leader who can survive the slings and arrows of the enemy.

should have been illegal

Leave campaign did something that was actually illegal. But that's OK.

Remain did something that someone didn't like but wasn't illegal. Off with their heads.

MaizieD

Further to my post at 9.37, I'll remind people that the Electoral Commission did find 'Vote Leave' guilty of breaking electoral law and they were fined £20,000. A derisory amount, but sadly the maximum they are permitted to fine.

I would say the remain campaign did something which should have been illegal by sending out millions of very detailed 'vote remain' leaflets to every household in the country paid for by the taxpayer. Much worse than anything the leave campaign did in my opinion. I certainly feel angry at having paid out to support the remain campaign without my consent.