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Number crunching the recent elections

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-May-21 08:29:16

Well, after all the brou-ha-ha over the days since last weeks election I’ve been looking at the actual figures coming out, and they show that nothing was as good nor bad as the hysteria would claim.

No one would deny that these elections were set in unique times, and these circumstances hopefully will never coincide ever again. Two factors Brexit and Covid and the vaccine roll out. The vaccine roll has 88% public approval, and it is unsurprising that all opposition parties struggled to be heard under these unique circumstances.

But, looking at the results now, it is clear that the incumbents throughout the U.K. did not win by a landslide that given the circumstances you might expect, but in fact the gains rather than landslides, were in fact quite modest.

So first to the SNP, Sturgeon only increased her vote by 1% in spite of her apparent popularity.

Second the local elections. The key figure here is the projected national share of the vote, and an estimate of how the parties would have faired in a GE.

By this yard stick, the Tories beat Labour 36% to 29% . Lib Dem’s 17%.

But, and here is the reason it is better to wait before getting to hysterical the result was neither huge nor groundbreaking for the Tories. In fact May achieved a better result in the 2017 local elections without the benefit if the vaccine rollout or Brexit.

Translated into parliamentary seats, this result would have sharply reduced Johnson’s majority.

The Tories also achieved much of their success due to the disappearance of UKIP and the Brexit party.

So to Hartlepool

In 2019 UKIP took 26% of the vote. Their absence saw the Tory vote almost double.

But the absence of UKIP in the locals and bye-election in England and Wales has not shown the overall increase of votes that the Tories might have hoped for. Tory vote increased overall by 5% since 2016, with a similar increase for Labour.

There can be little doubt that the centre right hegemony has gained control, but it is by no means firm and there are signs of fragmentation in the south of England where the Tories lost seats in true blue areas where voters feel culturally alienated from Johnson’s type of Toryism.

Once the covid period disappears and politics begins to settle into a more smiler pattern both Labour and the Tories will find they have work to do.

There is everything to play for.

Some stuff taken from Martin Kettle 13/5

PippaZ Sat 29-May-21 20:19:57

I have no idea how I missed this thread. Thank you Whitewave for the OP and all who have added so much information.

I come away from reading it feeling our democracy is very like the curate's egg at the moment. The good parts are closer to home where the majority seem to be getting what they voted for in councils and mayors. I can only congratulate those who are sharing power to look after their areas.

However, we come back to the fact that has been picked up by others that, rather like the Scots, we are governed from the top by a government that did not have majority backing but now has an extreme level of power.

varian Sat 29-May-21 16:34:02

We cannot continue to tolerate this sham democracy

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/29/beat-the-tories-electoral-system-first-past-the-post

varian Tue 25-May-21 17:03:21

The Government's 'Electoral Integrity' bill announced in the Queen's Speech has nothing to do with electoral integrity.

At its heart is a costly and unnecessary requirement for voters to present photo ID at polling stations - a voter suppression tactic imported from America. The bill also includes plans to make all elections in England use the unfair First Past The Post system.

In short, this Bill has little to do with safeguarding our elections, and everything to do with changing the rules to help the Conservative Party.

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varian Tue 25-May-21 12:25:49

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varian Mon 24-May-21 17:04:37

I see that Jo Cox's sister Kim Leadbetter has been selected as the Labour candidate for the Batley and Spen by-election.

If I lived there I would vote for her although I am a Liberal Democrat. I hope she wins.

varian Sun 23-May-21 14:22:10

No government should be able to win a big majority on a minority of the vote,” Darren Hughes, chief executive of the Electoral Reform Society. “Something is very clearly wrong.”

He added: “Westminster’s voting system is warping our politics beyond recognition and we’re all paying the price.

“Under proportional voting systems, seats would more closely match votes, and we could end the scourge of millions feeling unrepresented and ignored.”

I think people do care that they are unrepresented and ignored. The challenge is to explain how this could be changed.

The right wing press will not support electoral reform but that should not be a reason for giving up. The first step should be to stop referring to "our democracy" when we are not living in a democracy.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 23-May-21 13:58:24

Kier Starmer is the guest on Piers Morgan’s life stories programme, I believe it is being aired on 1st June.

Galaxy Sun 23-May-21 13:26:50

Apparently batley and Spen is going to be very close according to polls sad.
I am afraid putting pr as a cornerstone of labour's promises is not going to get people rushing to vote for them. They should shove it in the small print but they need to target the issues that matter most to people.

varian Sun 23-May-21 13:19:24

Even at a time when FPTP worked better because only two parties had substantial support, Winston Churchill concluded that PR was, compared to other voting systems, the fairest and in the public interest. What a pity he did not introduce reform at that time.

varian Sun 23-May-21 13:11:00

It’s time for the Labour Party to support Proportional Representation. Make Votes Matter is backing a joint project to secure a commitment to PR from Labour by the time of the party conference (in 2021), called Labour for a New Democracy.

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/labour4pr

varian Sun 23-May-21 13:08:02

For Keir Starmer to convince the Labour Party to support the introduction of democratic proportional voting for all UK elections would be a HUGE first step MaizieD

The Tories would then be the only party to resist our country, the last undemocratic country in Europe to become a democracy - and they would be shown up for what they are - supporters of rule by minority.

MaizieD Sun 23-May-21 09:53:05

varian

No more wasted votes

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/reform-electoral-system-or-keep-losing-to-tories-keir-starmer-warned

And how, pray, is Keir Starmer, or anybody come to that, to reform the electoral system without being in government?

Has nobody yet grasped the fact that there is NOTHING --apart from by Rupert Murdoch--that can be done to stop this corrupt and rotten to the core government from doing precisely whatever it pleases and completely destroying our democracy and our constitution. And keeping itself in power indefinitely by use of legalised gerrymandering and voter suppression?

varian Sun 23-May-21 09:32:23

No more wasted votes

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/reform-electoral-system-or-keep-losing-to-tories-keir-starmer-warned

varian Wed 19-May-21 13:41:20

Sorry the poll I mentioned was actually just before the 1979 election, not 1983. But it illustrates how the "wasted vote" mantra churned out by the Tory press does result in voters not voting for the party they really like best, but rather against the one they dislike the most, thanks to FPTP.

Grany Mon 17-May-21 17:57:01

Progress a Blair think tank now called Progress Britain with Mandelson for right wing polices and elections.

The right wing spoke to the nation first there was Starmer with audience of 56 Viewers then Mandelson numbers shrunk to mere 28 viewers then came David Miliband audience down to 23 They are the future apparently; £5 a ticket raised £290

varian Mon 17-May-21 17:27:01

Tactical voting has always happened in England.

In 1983 voters were asked in a large poll " If you thought that the Liberal candidate in your constituency could win would you vote for that candidtate? 42% said yes.

Sadly because of our undemocratic FPTP electoral system the party only achieved 8% of votes.

Most of the voters who would have liked to vote for the party, but knew it could not win in their constituency, chose instead to what they saw as the lesser of two evils.

That is not democracy.

Maremia Mon 17-May-21 17:19:37

Back to the SNP. Nicola Sturgeon got the highest number of votes EVER in the history of this parliament. The reason she did not win a majority of seats was because of tactical voting, (and the FPTP system). Tories voted for Labour, and, yes, Labour voted for Tories, in chosen seats. Let that sink in. The numbers polled support this. Still wasn't enough to unseat her.
But, imagine if tactical voting had happened in England, and all the opposition parties had taken on the Tories.

JackieBee1 Sun 16-May-21 18:52:35

Well observed WW.

varian Sat 15-May-21 22:32:11

Another LibDem and Labour coalition agreed

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-57113990

Pedwards Sat 15-May-21 20:24:47

Yep, same here in our ‘safe’ Tory seat, Labour don’t stand a chance and the Greens stood aside, leaving the Lib Dem’s to take the vote

Saetana Sat 15-May-21 17:56:17

The Labour party at the moment are in the same position that the Conservatives were when Tony Blair was first elected. They too spent more time arguing amongst themselves than challenging the government. The result of this meant it was another 13 years before the Conservatives got back into power - and even then it was in coalition with the Lib Dems. Labour should learn the lesson from this if they do not want to spend many years out of power because of their own infighting. They need a new leader - Starmer is too bland and lawyer-like for many of the electorate. Unfortunately I cannot think of one single suitable candidate to replace him. Labour are done for the foreseeable future - maybe splitting the party into socialists and centrists will be necessary in the end?

Elvis58 Sat 15-May-21 17:34:36

I read somewhere only 22% of the population bothered to vote.So hardly a glowing indictment for politics overall.

GrauntyHelen Sat 15-May-21 15:18:57

You're having a laugh The SNP got 64 of 129 seats 63 of those constituency seats 65 is a majority in aPR system that is designed to prevent this They have won a FOURTH term

DutchDoll Sat 15-May-21 13:29:53

JillyBird

Whereabouts do you live?

varian Sat 15-May-21 13:09:20

Having an undemocratic First Past The Post voting system is in itself a form of voter suppression, especially when, as often happens, it is combined with gerrymandering.

Since the US Presidential election, Republican states and districts have been very actively redrawing boundaries and introducing new voting rules to restrict and discourage voters less likely to vote for their party.