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Meanwhile, in Scotland....

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Alegrias1 Fri 14-May-21 08:36:19

We had a by-election. SNP won, Labour second, Tory third.

The new MSPs were sworn in and they used 13 different languages in their oaths.

People in Glasgow stood in the street surrounding a Home Office van trying to deport so called "illegals". And they did stop them. One man lay down under the van.

And we've been surge testing and giving vaccines to all adults in Moray, where the hotspot looks like stabilising.

Another day in paradise....?

PippaZ Fri 14-May-21 10:41:46

Whitewavemark2

Sorry

Good Lord. I can't believe that doesn't remind everyone of what we have seen befor and fought against. A ghetto?

It does appear that it was not Johnson saying it but he did publish it. And people complain when I mention dictators and Hitler ...

By the way, did Alegrias1 say people could shorten her name? You do realise it a control and coercion tactic, don't you? Seems to me some people are feeling very insecure at the moment.

PippaZ Fri 14-May-21 10:41:07

Whitewavemark2

Sorry

Good Lord. I can't believe that doesn't remind everyone of what we have seen befor and fought against. A ghetto?

It does appear that it was not Johnson saying it but he did publish it. And people complain when I mention dictators and Hitler ...

By the way, did Alegrias1 say people could shorten her name? You do realise it a control and coercion tactic, don't you? Seems to me some people are feeling very insecure at the moment.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 14-May-21 10:33:32

No wonder Patel wants to stop protest.

The police would have the powers to arrest all those protesters if she has her way. Their humanity and solidarity would be trashed.

EllanVannin Fri 14-May-21 10:30:47

Next generation well and truly brainwashed. shock sad
Isn't this a form of abuse ? Shocking. Not allowed an opinion.

The thought police are alive and kicking in this country. Scary.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 14-May-21 10:28:26

Urmstongran

Unlikely? If so you’d challenge it & see a solicitor.

Especially if you are very poor with zero resources at your disposal.

Like that’s going to happen.

trisher Fri 14-May-21 10:28:08

I want Hadrian's Wall back then I'd be living in Scotland!!
Three cheers for the Scots and the Glaswegians who believe in proper and humanitarian. treatment even for illegal immigrants. Surely the mark of a civilised country is how you treat the weakest and poorest in your society.

PippaZ Fri 14-May-21 10:24:28

Alegrias1

Keep digging ladies..... ??

Amazing how little some care for the democracy of the citizen. They really don't do they? I find this very, very concerning.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 14-May-21 10:21:46

Sorry

Whitewavemark2 Fri 14-May-21 10:21:23

I wonder if his opinion has changed?

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 10:20:38

Unlikely? If so you’d challenge it & see a solicitor.

PippaZ Fri 14-May-21 10:19:47

Whitewavemark2

I was incredibly impressed by the Glaswegians. What a sense of community and rejection of the Home Office and its Nazi style dawn raids.

You would think they would know just what that looks like. Did they learn nothing from the 1930s/40s.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 14-May-21 10:17:20

Just a thought.

If ID cards are made a legal requirement.

What happens if the government decides for reasons of its own to take your ID card away?

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 10:04:37

BTW, I'm Scotland born and bred and my first language isn't English.

Same for my 90y old Scottish stepfather. Gaelic speaking in his village.

He was appalled to see the scenes in Glasgow BTW.

Alegrias1 Fri 14-May-21 09:57:21

Urmstongran

^Anyway. 13 languages in Parliament, isn't that good?^

Expensive twaddle. Bring on the dancing girls. Oh, I mean usher in the translators. Unnecessary in my opinion. They all speak English (otherwise they wouldn’t be able to work on behalf of their constituents!). Virtue signalling at its worst. I’m glad that’s not going on in the HoC. Costs would spiral!

People making the oath in whatever language they want to, not translated. Doesn't cost anything.

Business of the Parliament is in English.

BTW, I'm Scotland born and bred and my first language isn't English.

lemongrove Fri 14-May-21 09:51:07

Oh I will look it up Aleg but thought you may be anxious to show us all these many many languages.?

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 09:49:59

We shall just have to agree to disagree ladies.

lemongrove Fri 14-May-21 09:47:58

If the appeals process has run it’s full course...in that case, if they were denied permission to reside here they could vanish into their communities never to be seen again.Yes, it has happened unsurprisingly. There could be protests mounted on behalf of would be immigrants but not scenes like yesterday when officials acting in a legal way are obstructed by a mob.

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 09:46:06

Anyway. 13 languages in Parliament, isn't that good?

Expensive twaddle. Bring on the dancing girls. Oh, I mean usher in the translators. Unnecessary in my opinion. They all speak English (otherwise they wouldn’t be able to work on behalf of their constituents!). Virtue signalling at its worst. I’m glad that’s not going on in the HoC. Costs would spiral!

Polarbear2 Fri 14-May-21 09:44:21

I’m with aleg. If it was a bit warmer I’d be moving there. It was fabulous to see a protest with a good outcome ?

Alegrias1 Fri 14-May-21 09:43:31

Can't you look them up Lemongrove?

Alegrias1 Fri 14-May-21 09:42:42

dragonfly46

And your point being Aleg. What is wrong with having ID cards? I lived with them for 18 years in the Netherlands and they solved more problems than they created.
If you have nothing to hide I cannot see why you object.

There's a whole other thread. Its interesting. "Queen's Speech".

If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about.

lemongrove Fri 14-May-21 09:41:45

I am curious about the 13 languages that MSP’s used in their oaths ( and why?) surely English and Gaelic are spoken by all.
List them for us...?

Alegrias1 Fri 14-May-21 09:41:14

Do I know what digging means....erm, yes confused

Digging a hole that shows you don't really understand the situation.

The two men were taken from their homes in a dawn raid and were planned to be removed from the community in which they had been living. The Home Office thinks that these tactics are appropriate because they can be used to remove people before their appeals process has run its full course, and help deny them access to the legal support that could help them.

Well we're not having it. Remove people if they are here illegally, fine, but don't try to use terror tactics to do it. We'll fight back.

Anyway. 13 languages in Parliament, isn't that good?

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 09:39:36

Me neither dragonfly. We carry ours in Spain. No problema.

Urmstongran Fri 14-May-21 09:38:53

Hopefully meant in Yes for ID cards.