PH - Not another one!

Ellianne

Please stop this Harry.
You should be there supporting your brother in the BBC scandal regarding your mother, not chuntering on about yourself again in public. William never makes it all about him despite suffering equally. The difference between the brothers is even more evident now, like between the Queen and Princess Margaret.

Absolutely correct Ellianne.

Why is the thread title’PH - not another one’’? It should be ‘PH - Another Bloody One’.

It’s not a “hate fest” Iam64 - unless we recognise tgat the hatred is coming in one direction only
I am more concerned with this expansion of therapy from a clinical setting to every dimension of public life. The medicalisation of human problems is now paralleled with the necessity of public emoting.
Was the death of Diana a watershed? The stiff upper lip was condemned and public emoting became the new ideal.
This form of “therapy culture” has undermined the distinction between inner and outer life. Americans call the public performance of this “sharing”. Prince Harry understands that cultural norms dictate that for those aspiring to celebrity status, sharing is mandatory. From this perspective, therapy is pointless unless it is also coupled with public emoting and the revelation of hitherto unknown private secrets.

Iam64

Ah, I see that by talking about his life and feelings, Harry is feeding the hatefest.

Harry is the one feeding a hatefest towards his family. Everyone here is in despair at how he is treating them. He seems to think the world revolves around him and his feelings.

He and Meghan should go and live in a tower block with faulty cladding, then he would know what it is like to have your feelings ignored.

Everyone here is in despair at how he is treating them.

I'm not. Bit of a generalisation there, I think.....

He and Meghan should go and live in a tower block with faulty cladding, then he would know what it is like to have your feelings ignored.

And the people who lived and are still living in tower blocks with faulty cladding died or risk death because they lived/are living in these appalling tower blocks.

I don’t think anyone on here, most of us grandparents, have failed to understand the impact of the death of Diana on her young sons. If either of them have needed therapy as a result of the loss of their mother, I think we would all be supportive of that. What we are not supportive of though, is the commercialisation of the impact of this therapy, coming from a disgruntled and spiteful Harry, who is aiming his dissatisfaction at his family in the most public way, and in particular to do this whilst his grandfather was ill and dying is beneath contempt. This is not hating Prince Harry, but rather extremely strong disapproval of his actions.

It is entirely possible to like/love the offender, but to dislike the behaviour of the offender.

Surely they have enough money now out of their sell all exploits.
Maybe they could shut up now and sit back and enjoy all their money with the privacy they supposedly longed for, they are in the public eye more now than when they were living here.

When they were here they were not at the centre of the public eye, now in America they are . They have placed themselves where they really wanted to be

I think the comment that struck me was made by Earl Spencer.

“Bashir was very good at amplifying peoples anxieties.
He made you feel that he was you only friend in a dangerous and difficult world”.

He believed Bashir was able to tap into Diana’s vulnerability and unhappiness and isolate her from people who supported her and whom she had previously trusted.

That's really very manipulative isn't it?

Bashir and the BBC are beneath contempt for their actions in this whole sordid affair.

Devils advocate here - I wonder is he simply validating the MH issues we are told more people are experiencing nowadays? Is he saying, 'Look, if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone'? Is it his way of trying to help others as well as unburdening himself?

PH, I mean.

I think it’s time for him to shut up.
Sadly I don’t think he has anything else to talk about but himself.

I feel that one of the things he is definitely highlighting is that in his eyes, his mother’s death was caused because she didn’t have any British security. Therefore, in the same vein, he and his family, to avoid this threat, must have private security paid for by the British tax payer. He is comparing his mother’s life to his wife’s, history repeating itself.

I feel for the 12y old Harry walking behind his mother’s coffin. Such grief to be tamped down in front of the nation and the tv cameras that lined the walk. That poor boy lost his much loved mummy and afterwards got sent out to thank the crowds for their condolences - when as he said ‘they didn’t even know her and their grief could only have been 10% of mine’. So wrong to have the boys do that.

He says his time in the Army involved drink and drugs ‘a wild time to numb the pain’. So deep down we liked to think of fun-loving Harry. Who really wasn’t after all.

Now though?
Much as I empathise with your past Harry I think all this over sharing and over presentation of yourself, your feelings, your wife is getting to be too much. You mean well but it’s time to let it go. Deal quietly with good therapy in your own space. Heal and get well. Enjoy your own sweet family and find strength in the love and enjoyment of them. We wish you well. Truly. But .... Enough Now.

He could do that Blinko by talking about the success or failure of any therapy he's received. By talking about any coping mechanisms he's found helpful and despite the negatives he's endured, also the positives in his life.

He comes across to me as simply wanting to talk endlessly about himself, what a terrible life he's had and how awful his family has treated him. How does that help anyone else and more importantly, how does that help him?

What sort of negative impact will he have on his own children if when they're old enough to understand, he's still doing this?

Had they remained working royals they would have had security at the expense of the British tax payer mokryna. He knew that when they walked away and went abroad it would be lost.

Diana's life is nothing like M's. She was constantly pursued by the media and photographed, from the moment of her engagement until her death. M thankfully and rightfully so, hasn't had to endure the same treatment and the question remains, if you're so hostile toward the media, if you want privacy for yourself and your family, then why have you done nothing but court publicity?

I guess there will always be an insatiable appetite for the "misery memoirs" of public figures and the RF revelations are no exception.

I'm now wondering why we needed to be told about the death of the Queen's new puppy. Isn't it basically just about Palace public relations and selling newspapers?

I think anxious people do tend to talk about themselves a lot. They are unwell mentally (sometimes just for a short while, sometimes chronically ) so they can’t see it themselves and can’t help it. They do need our kindness yes, but also encouragement to find coping mechanisms too.

Yes I agree Nell this is all of our own making.

I'm heartily sick of hearing about people who think they're badly done to.

I agree Urmstongran but it's unfortunate to say the least that when talking about himself, H doesn't appear to be able to do so without knifing his family in the back.

Yes of course I think you’re right there Smileless. Taking his family down at the same time is bad form. Bad enough privately (which is often a reason for estrangement it seems) ... but publicly?

Indeed "bad enough privately" Urmstongran.

mokryna

I feel that one of the things he is definitely highlighting is that in his eyes, his mother’s death was caused because she didn’t have any British security. Therefore, in the same vein, he and his family, to avoid this threat, must have private security paid for by the British tax payer. He is comparing his mother’s life to his wife’s, history repeating itself.

Princess Diana was offered security by the royal family after the divorce but she refused it because she was convinced it would be a means of spying on her. This paranoia was exacerbated by Bashir’s actions. So the situation is not the same at all but Prince Harry has his narrative and will stick to it despite evidence to the contrary.