PH - Not another one!

But I dont expect to have control over them. I see it as a soap opera and its playing itself out. If you have a royal family this is going to happen. We as the public support this so this is what's going to happen. How can anyone be surprised. By supporting a royal family we ask for this. We should possibly think about that especially for the people involved.
He was telling her he didnt love her annie. Honestly he really was. It was the biggest red flag for miles around. As someone who has known a few men in her time I can promise you that was what it was

The hypocrisy of trying maintain a squeaky clean front while there's all kinds of shenanigans going on is stunning and Galaxy's right in that the great British public, is complicit in it by putting them on a pedestal (some of us). Just like any family, they're a complex bunch with all kinds of secrets and scandals hidden away but just don't behave in a shocking way yourself then call out your child for a different, shocking behaviour because it doesn't suit your particular code.
I really don't care what they get up to but I think the vilification of a young dad trying his best to deal with the past traumas fatherhood has possibly thrown up, in the only way he knows how, is cruel and unjust.

Another issue with Harry constantly banging on about therapy and MH is he isn’t qualified in anyway on these matters. I doubt very much that any decent therapist/psychologist would advise that speaking to millions and basically trashing his family is conducive to healing. Once this stuff is out there it can never be put away.

I’ve gone from someone who really liked Harry to now finding him pretty fake and I think his motives are questionable.

Nannee49 Unfortunately, putting himself and his family in the spotlight exposes him to criticism, just as he is criticising his own family. Good therapy is about not about apportioning blame, it is about helping an individual understand and cope better with their past experiences and move on to a happier life. It strikes me that whatever therapy Harry has had, has failed him miserably.

Galaxy I cannot agree that Charles meant ‘I don’t love her’ ,
what does ‘in love’ mean ?

I was in love with Alan Rickman, ?. I loved my husband, that was it, I never said ‘I am in love with you ‘,

Thinking about it , what does ‘in love’ mean, one either loves or
doesn’t love the person they are to marry. If we hate someone are we ‘in hate’ . It was a stupid question

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Nannee49 You say " but just don't behave in a shocking way yourself then call out your child for a different, shocking behaviour because it doesn't suit your particular code. I really don't care what they get up to but I think the vilification of a young dad trying his best to deal with the past traumas fatherhood has possibly thrown up, in the only way he knows how, is cruel and unjust."

Vilification by who? Who has called out his child (Harry) for his behaviour, while behaving badly themselves? His father? Grandmother? Brother? Sister-in-law? No, they have been noticeably restrained in their reactions to his accusations about how they have behaved toward him and his wife. The vilification has all been one way, from Harry and Meghan toward the rest of Harry's family, and as publicly as they can manage.

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Alegrias1 I have reported you for your rude remarks and personal attack.

Its despicable to doubt someone who says they are suicidal, whatever you think of them

Alegrias pls stop being so over the top. Saying “shame on you” to another poster. If someone doubts the truth of something they are allowed to do so. There’s nothing despicable about it. This is a discussion forum. If that’s how Avalon feels she’s entitled to say so. Yet again, stop moderating this forum. If you can’t handle others disagreeing with your point of view maybe take a break especially on a subject that seems to affect you so badly.

Sorry I posted the above before the comments were deleted.

Good. I've been deleted for referring to a deleted post and the post doubting someone's veracity when they talk about suicide has been deleted for breaking guidelines.

I suspect this post will go as well.

That's the problem with half truths, unsubstantiated claims and outright lies isn't it, if you do all of the fore mentioned there will be some who understandably doubt something else you say, even if it's true.

Elegran, all of the fuss is precisely because his family are strongly calling him out on his outpourings as if he has no right to hold such views on his own life and experiences.

I was deleted for personal attacks on another woman which is not what it was meant to be and a pity the whole post was deleted. I did say after watching H&M programme last night I was given a different view point that Harry wanted out for some time which is perhaps why he chose Meghan knowing she was not suited for the kind of life being a member of the rf involves. Btw that is not meant as a personal attack on Meghan - she had a totally different lifestyle before coming to a strange country. I also feel that Harry does have some serious mental health issues where he has not resolved his anger and grief but going over and over is unlikely to help him in the long run. I also said I hope Meghan does not ditch him as some have suggested as I think it would devastate him. I can’t see him wanting to return to the UK.

I haven't seen one single member of H's family "strongly calling him out on his outpourings" Nannee they have thus far, remained dignified in their silence and TBH I wish just one of them would.

No, Nannee His extended family supported him when his parents divorced and his mother died, and he stated publicly that they were there for him when he needed them. They helped him get counselling to counter the stress he suffered. Then he married and wished to break away and live his own life, independently - as most young men wish to do.

He had a personal fortune of, I think, £40 million pounds, left to him by his mother, and his wife is wealthy. Despite this, he says he is disappointed that his father is not bankrolling him. Most people would not think that independently living your own life involves expecting to live it using your father's money, while simultaneously complaining about how he treats you.

"All the fuss" is in the press and the minds of the public, because it was agreed between Harry and his family that he wanted to leave the Royal Family, and that was done, as he wished . He then used a prime-time TV show to rubbish his entire family. The strong criticism came from HIM. His family has said very little and certainly no "strong calling out" They haven't held an entire prime-time show to counteract his (and his wife's) version. Please supply a source for this calling-out - if you have found a reliable one.

Nannee49 I haven’t seen anywhere that H’s family have been calling him out. It’s Harry that’s giving all the interviews trashing his family. Please don’t invent stuff.

I don't profess to understand therapy, but surely by constantly going on and on about the same grief and anger all the time, Harry has almost ended up exaggerating its gravity? I'm guessing he really believes he is hard done by, but he appears to be wallowing so much in unhappiness that he is is rubbing salt into his own wounds.
I don't understand either why he keeps on mentioning his wife's troubled state of mind? Is it to make people feel sorry for her or to confirm his own feelings that the RF is destructive and totally uncaring when it comes to its members' feelings?

Ellianne 16.38 I get the feeling one reason the mental health sufferings of Harry and Meghan are regularly brought up in public is to help establish their credentials as "authorities" on the subject prior to further paid interviews and documentaries. I'm not judging them either way for this. I suppose they are as entitled to follow that route as much as sufferers from racial or sexual abuse, disasters or any other horrible life experience

easybee at 10.03. Excellent post.

Thank you, Lilypollen.