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Swiss-EU trade deal collapses ...

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Urmstongran Wed 26-May-21 21:35:50

Switzerland said "no deal" to Brussels’ freedom of movement demands and pulled out of seven years of tortured trade negotiations with the European Union on Wednesday.

Bern pulled the plug after years of difficult talks over Single Market access that are reminiscent of the European Commission’s Brexit negotiations with the UK over the past four years.

Shades of Brexit negotiations as Swiss government rejects European Union overtures following seven years of diplomatic wrangling.

Seems Democracy is still alive in Switzerland.

The Swiss are no fools and have emphatically rejected an EU trade deal with Brussels' rules and regulations, the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice and free benefits to workers from the EU.

Typically, the EU has immediately threatened reprisals.

Alegrias1 Thu 27-May-21 21:00:27

Interesting post Urmstongran. Its usual to specify sources when quoting big chunks of other peoples articles verbatim.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/27/dealings-switzerland-eu-proving-us-right-leaving/

vegansrock Thu 27-May-21 21:13:05

Seems some love to bash the EU for whatever reason even when it has no consequence for the U.K. The predictions that member states were all deeply envious of the U.K. and it was all about to collapse in a heap 4 years ago hasn’t happened. Switzerland has never been an EU member, makes most of its money from financial dealings, is relatively very small and wealthy, not comparable with the U.K. which seemingly is scouring around for cheap trade deals with anywhere.

Kamiso Thu 27-May-21 21:32:47

You’ve touched a few raw nerves today, Urmstongran!

Did you remember to check with Vegansrock before expressing your opinion?

Urmstongran Thu 27-May-21 21:57:18

😂😂

Lucca Thu 27-May-21 22:03:40

Kamiso

You’ve touched a few raw nerves today, Urmstongran!

Did you remember to check with Vegansrock before expressing your opinion?

Hmm. A bit rude in my opinion,

Chewbacca Thu 27-May-21 23:57:52

It's a shame that jura/granjura/biba is no longer posting on this forum as she lived in Switzerland I believe, and she'd have been able to give us more insight on the situation as a resident. sad

vegansrock Fri 28-May-21 06:54:51

Switzerland has referenda on just about everything - even whether cows should have bells on .

vegansrock Fri 28-May-21 06:58:45

I can cope with rudeness- though I’m not sure that pointing out a few facts which challenge the OP is considered worthy of comment.

MaizieD Fri 28-May-21 07:52:13

lemongrove

Greece didn’t meet the financial requirements to become an EU member, as I remember it, but it was a long time ago so maybe wrong on that.

Astounded!

You're correct. Absolutely wrong, lemon.

I do hope that your Leave vote wasn't based on a load of similar erroneous beliefs...

MawBe Fri 28-May-21 07:56:02

Kali2

Had Brexit not happened, Switzerland would probably have been able to bend the rules a bit - but Brexit makes that totally impossible as the EU, quite rightly so, says, same rules for everyone. Quite simple, really.

Indeed Kali2.
As recognised in today’s DT
It wasn’t that the Swiss disapproved of Brexit; rather it was that Britain’s act of defiance brought an unwelcome degree of focus on its own, faintly privileged, economic arrangements with the EU. These have long been regarded by Brussels as outdated and therefore ripe for absorption into the regimented whole. Prior to Brexit, Switzerland had managed to slip through under the radar; the apparent anomaly was too small

Urmstongran Fri 28-May-21 08:02:17

This article is very interesting.
Seems you’re not far out after all lemongrove!

www.investopedia.com/terms/e/europeanunion.asp

JenniferEccles Fri 28-May-21 08:24:23

I don’t remember reading any predictions that the EU would collapse years ago but a lot of people have a feeling that gradually countries may start to wonder if membership is beneficial to them or not.

Presumably the ball would start rolling with certain political parties sensing the mood of their country and offering an in/out referendum if voted into government.

Many will be watching us closely to see if we sink or swim.

lemongrove Fri 28-May-21 09:34:09

Urmstongran

This article is very interesting.
Seems you’re not far out after all lemongrove!

www.investopedia.com/terms/e/europeanunion.asp

Thanks Urms smile I knew it was about financial problems with Greece, but couldn't remember the details.
I also do remember though, at the time that Greece was hoovered up by the EU ( I think of them as like the Borg) various experts saying that Greece shouldn’t be joining the EU
because financially they weren’t in a good enough place.

Ellianne Fri 28-May-21 09:39:12

Several Leave votes were based on the retirement age in said country when it joined the EU. Wasn't it in their 50s? Different rules for different countries never goes down well. Added to that their precarious financial position.

Urmstongran Fri 28-May-21 10:05:07

Prof Carl Baudenbacher wrote in the Brussels Reporter that the European Commission has ratcheted up the pressure over the years as a ruthless negotiating tactic, practising “a policy of punishment that is difficult to reconcile with good faith”.

These include a “discriminatory refusal of stock exchange equivalence” since July 2019; threats to exclude it from the joint Horizon research programme: a refusal to update the Agreement on Technical Barriers to Trade and other accords; and even the exclusion of Switzerland from the EU system of Covid surveillance apps. All entail a degree of self-harm.

The view in Brussels is that Switzerland will be forced back to the table once the escalating cost of resistance becomes clearer. The working premise is that the failure is entirely Switzerland’s problem. The Swiss people can lump it, or leave it.

“The EU is always arrogant, inflexible, stroppy, and does not care about annoying neighbours, because for them there is no cost to it,” said Charles Grant from the Centre for European Reform. The Swiss are doubly vulnerable because they do not bring security and defence chips to the diplomatic table.

But the result of this coercion policy over the years is that Swiss popular support for EU membership has collapsed to 10pc from around 50pc in the early 1990s. It has nurtured a simmering national resentment.

“The EU never learns. It keeps overloading its demands and trying to advance its judicial machine but this can never be a basis for a sustainable relationship. It keeps backfiring,” said Pieter Cleppe, former head of Open Europe in Brussels.

Seems the EU has overreached again!

Alegrias1 Fri 28-May-21 10:13:31

Please, please UG, just tell us when its a quote from the Telegraph, then we can all decide if its credible or not.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/05/27/switzerlands-ordeal-ends-doubt-eu-poisons-relations-every-neighbour/

Urmstongran Fri 28-May-21 10:23:02

The quotes were attributed already to the people speaking?
Sorry otherwise.
I often remember but do sometimes forget (in my enthusiasm).

Alegrias1 Fri 28-May-21 10:38:42

But the tone of the piece and the interpretation of the facts depend on who has written it and what part of the press it hails from. The whole text is a quotation and reflects the writer's political outlook.

I wouldn't cut and paste whole sections of The National as though they were fact and not highlight that it was from an Independence supporting paper!

Urmstongran Fri 28-May-21 10:45:49

Fair point.
I will try harder. It was often on my school reports too.
Strange that.

Katie59 Fri 28-May-21 11:57:04

The problem is that there was a referendum ( they have lots) in Switzerland about freedom of movement, the vote was NO, the government has been trying to get round the issue for several years. Just like us the Swiss will now have to live with more day to day inconvenience, there were already customs borders for goods and VAT was separate, so any changes are not as great for them. More hassle for companies, tighter border controls, thats what they voted for.
I’m surprised electricity is an issue, we import power from the EU and I havn’t heard of any problems, although prices have gone up.