Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

I agree Callistemon.
Plus religion has nothing to do with politics.

Kali2
Good grief, your not content with dictating how we should conduct our affairs in this country: now you’ve turned your sights on the USA. I bet that’s going down well on chat forums.

GrannyGravy13

It’s the 21st century Kali2 why would it matter if the PM of the UK was a Hindu.

Racial or religious bigotry should have no place in politics...

I agree GrannyGravy
I quoted Sunak as an example of what the threads could be like if (shock, horror) we had a PM of the Hindu faith!

And this thread has an undercurrent of bigotry which was based on misinformation.
We need no reminders about what harm sectarianism can bring to society.

I forgot to add I hope they are less polite than we have been on this forum.

Callistemon I do think that there is an element of religious trouble making by some posters on this thread that I am extremely uncomfortable with.

Totally agree with your last sentence.

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

Sorry can I just check which nationalities are allowed an opinion. I am half German is that ok am I allowed to express my view.

I am also half German - the other half being Scottish.
I imagine my entitlement is roughly similar?

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

Agree Maw

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

I 100% agree with you Maw. I'm appalled at the relentless religious bigotry displayed by the OP in this thread. The offence it's caused to Catholic posters is palpable.

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/boris-johnson-baptised-catholic-and-cannot-defect-from-church-says-canon-law-1.4579760

Tony Blair became RC when he left office . He attended mass with his catholic wife. Mr Blair's behaviour was the nearest to catholicism for a British PM. Boris's behaviour is something else. I cannot understand how the Pope allowed it.

Racism is illegal so Gransnet admin would delete racist posts.

Religious affiliation is not illegal. It is not illegal to decry religious dogma so Gransnet will not delete posts that disapprove of religious dogma.

Galaxy

Sorry can I just check which nationalities are allowed an opinion. I am half German is that ok am I allowed to express my view.

My ancestors escaped from Catholic persecution but I'm not biased.

It is not illegal to decry religious dogma so Gransnet will not delete posts that disapprove of religious dogma.

Boris Johnson baptised catholic and cannot defect from church says canon law

I cannot understand how the Pope allowed it

That sounds rather like rigid dogma to me.

Callistemon, dogma is definitively dogmatic.

pS i had anothr think about it and think I understand better. I wrote to the other thread about the possible reasoning of the Church.Basically dogma is once a Catholic always a Catholic. So Boris's previous marriages were not sanctified by Holy Church. So he had never been really married before. Moreover Boris would have confessed his sins n a spirit of contrition.

Moreover Boris would have confessed his sins n a spirit of contrition.

And is there any evidence to say that he did not? Or are some of us privy to what is said in the confessional box?

I am half German too.... seems there are lots of us about.

The same thought did cross my mind, Chewy.

Basically dogma is once a Catholic always a Catholic.

Catholicism can be renounced.
However, who would want to belong to a religion into which you are baptised as a baby by your parent(s) and without your consent?

Surely that is what confirmation is for? To confirm your beliefs at an age when you have had time to think and reflect, although it is often carried out well before the age of consent too.

One C of E vicar I came across did not believe anyone should be baptised before the age of 17 at least.

timetogo2016

I agree Callistemon.
Plus religion has nothing to do with politics.

Unless you live in a country were both are very strongly linked.

MerylStreep

Kali2
Good grief, your not content with dictating how we should conduct our affairs in this country: now you’ve turned your sights on the USA. I bet that’s going down well on chat forums.

it was given as an example of political realities that are discriminatory and make no sense, No need to be American born or resident to see that.

Yet another very personal attack , which are definitely not allowed on GN.

Unlike in the U.K. where sectarianism rarely features except sadly perhaps in NI but one hopes those dark days are receding.
I sincerely hope you are not insinuating otherwise?
When I was in my teens I used to visit my German grandparents who had moved in the early 60’s from Berlin to a little place near Osnabrück in W Germany.
I was bemused to find there was both a “katholische” milkman/dairy and an “evangelische” equivalent and I had committed the heinous offence of just going to the nearest one in the Bahnhofstraße
So not an issue in anywhere I have lived in Scotland or England.
Perhaps your experience Kali2 has been otherwise?

Chewbacca

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

I 100% agree with you Maw. I'm appalled at the relentless religious bigotry displayed by the OP in this thread. The offence it's caused to Catholic posters is palpable.

You and MawBe have totally missed the point here.

100%. I am not religious- many of our family and close friends are, and I respect their faith. And because I respect them, despite being a humanist, not religious at all, I hate to see their faith distorted, abused or, in this case, totally misused for personal gain. But this thread is not even about that- but a discussion on the very strong historical link between the CofE since Henry VIII (now there was one who knew how to distort, manipulate, lie and take over huge riches and masses of lands btw- I would be very happy to question the sincerity of his faith)...and the British Crown and State.

Denying this would be quite simply nonsensical.

No racism and bigotry here- but again, personal attacks of the OP, which is not acceptable on GN.

Not guilty of personal attacks on OP
Not missing any points