Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Chewbacca

So is the OP just an ill informed storm in a tea cup?

It is a discussion- for those who are interested. And those who are not, can, as usual, just go along and ignore. Very simple.

Whether you like or not, chewbacca, the Anglican Church is still very strongly linked to the British Government. For all the wrong historical reasons of course, but it is what it is.

We have never had a Catholic PM- and at the same time, I think we can all agree BJ is no Catholic at all. He can't have it both ways.

It is clear now reading newspapers, magazines and Internet sites- that the fact he was allowed to marry in Westminster Cathedral, as a Catholic- has upset a massive number of people for whom it does matter- and that for many, it will influence negatively their view of the British Catholic Church.

Even if it does not matter to you personally.

Peasblossom

Umm, Thomas Cromwell, Vicar General, was Catholic.

He would have been hard pressed to be Anglican!

Yes, he was Catholic.

Whether he is/was/would like to be/never will be a Catholic; I honestly can't see it making a ha'porth of difference politically. So I suppose that my answer to the OP would have to be "there won't be any implications because it just doesn't matter".

Bodach

"If he was a Catholic the other marriages are not recognised. If he wasn't a Catholic they are. I think you are the one missing the point."
Sorry, 'theworriedwell', I was querying your statement that "it seems he must be saying he is a Catholic.." He doesn't have to say he's a Catholic - because various (apparently expert) commentators are telling us that the fact that he was originally baptised as a Catholic means that the Catholic Church consider him still to be a Catholic, regardless of his being subsequently confirmed into the CofE.

By using the rule he is in fact saying he is and was a Catholic. He can't have it both ways, well I suppose he can as his legion of fans insist he can do no wrong but he shouldn't be able to.

We humans are very good at complicating matters, aren't we? My father was an ornithologist and spent many happy hours in the forest. He also knew a lot about wild flowers and fungi. He rarely set foot in a church because he felt he was nearer God in the forest than in a church building. I sympathize with his view.

"If he was a Catholic the other marriages are not recognised. If he wasn't a Catholic they are. I think you are the one missing the point."
Sorry, 'theworriedwell', I was querying your statement that "it seems he must be saying he is a Catholic.." He doesn't have to say he's a Catholic - because various (apparently expert) commentators are telling us that the fact that he was originally baptised as a Catholic means that the Catholic Church consider him still to be a Catholic, regardless of his being subsequently confirmed into the CofE.

So is the OP just an ill informed storm in a tea cup?

Umm, Thomas Cromwell, Vicar General, was Catholic.

He would have been hard pressed to be Anglican!

Such a very intetesting discussion , puzzling and contradicting

theworriedwell

Kali2

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

It isn't rare, I know lots of cases.

Me too, theworriedwell!! There are many enlightened priests in our Diocese, that ethos come from our enlightened Bishop.

Kali2

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

It isn't rare, I know lots of cases.

Kali: A vicar general (previously, archdeacon) is the principal deputy of the bishop of a diocese for the exercise of administrative authority and possesses the title of local ordinary. ... The title normally occurs only in Western Christian churches, such as the Latin Church of the Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion.

Kali, you gave me the impression that you were very knowledgeable about Catholicism, I have obviously got that wrong.
I shall leave you to have the last word, I'm sure you will! ?

Whitewavemark2

I am so glad that I am a humanist when I read all this nonsense.

Me too WW. All this man made construct. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Kali2

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Anglican too.
Wasn't Thomas Cromwell Vicar General?

But I would always think of a Vicar General as being of the RC faith.

At one time teachers in Catholic schools all had to be of the RC faith but this is not the case now, at least not in some countries.

Kali2

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Yes, Catholic.

Equivalent to Archdeacon.

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Of course religions have to adapt to survive! Catholicism certainly has to.

www.catholicsandcultures.org/practices-values

I think that to survive, religions do have to adapt.

Actually Kali, standard in our Diocese! Our former PP was Vicar General of the Diocese, I must alert him to the fact, he has being doing things the wrong way!

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

Thanks Marydoll
I think my DGS chose well, although his godparents are all wonderful too, his sponsor adds another dimension.

Marydoll

Kali thank you for taking the time to enlighten me, but there was really no need to have wasted your energy. I am more than au fait with the Rite of Baptism and the Sacraments of the Church.
May I ask from where you sourced your information?

As Parish sacristan for more than thirty years, involved in many Baptisms, trainer of altar servers, class teacher of many First Communion and Confirmation classes in a Roman Catholic School, holder of a Post Grad certificate in Catholic Religious Education and Bishop's approval to teach in a Roman Catholic school, etc. etc, I have a basic idea of how things work.

As long as one godparent has been baptized a Catholic, the other can be a Christian Witness, (the term recorded on the certificate), with both names recorded on the baptismal certificate and parish register. Also both godparents, Catholic and Christian stand with the parents and priest at the font.
Perhaps things are different in Switzerland, where I think you live.
By the way, you forgot to mention that we also renew our baptismal vows at Confirmation.

Yes, two of my children had a Catholic godparent and a CofE Godparent (Christian Witness) it is absolutely OK and two different priests were involved and both agreed that was the teaching.

Yes Callistemon, the sponsor at Confirmation does not need to be the godparent. There are a few stipulations.

You must choose your sponsor, and your sponsor must be willing to help you lead a Christian life in harmony with your baptism call and fulfill the obligations connected with it.

Your sponsor must be at least sixteen years of age.

Your sponsor must be Roman Catholic, baptized and confirmed, and have received First Communion.

Your sponsor must be practising his/her faith, that is, a faithful Catholic who attends Sunday Mass on a regular basis.

If married, they must be married according to the regulations of the Catholic faith

Your sponsor must be someone besides your parents. The church prefers that the godparents at baptism serve again as the sponsor at confirmation. You may choose
as your sponsor, your brother, sister, godfather, godmother, aunt, uncle, cousin, friend, neighbour who meets these requirements.
Your parents, step-parents,
foster parents, or guardians may NOT act as sponsors.