Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

I am also half German - the other half being Scottish.
I imagine my entitlement is roughly similar?

Sorry can I just check which nationalities are allowed an opinion. I am half German is that ok am I allowed to express my view.

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

Callistemon I do think that there is an element of religious trouble making by some posters on this thread that I am extremely uncomfortable with.

Totally agree with your last sentence.

I forgot to add I hope they are less polite than we have been on this forum.

GrannyGravy13

It’s the 21st century Kali2 why would it matter if the PM of the UK was a Hindu.

Racial or religious bigotry should have no place in politics...

I agree GrannyGravy
I quoted Sunak as an example of what the threads could be like if (shock, horror) we had a PM of the Hindu faith!

And this thread has an undercurrent of bigotry which was based on misinformation.
We need no reminders about what harm sectarianism can bring to society.

Kali2
Good grief, your not content with dictating how we should conduct our affairs in this country: now you’ve turned your sights on the USA. I bet that’s going down well on chat forums.

I agree Callistemon.
Plus religion has nothing to do with politics.

GrannyGravy13

It’s the 21st century Kali2 why would it matter if the PM of the UK was a Hindu.

Racial or religious bigotry should have no place in politics...

Nor should imagined prejudice.
There would be no bar to a Hindu, Sikh, Muslim or Jew being PM

Indeed I think that would be very interesting- but it would be clear from the start. Sunak would not pretend to be something, and then turn coat.

Perhaps you missed my post of yesterday @ 22:59, Kali2

Marrying a Roman Catholic in a Roman Catholic place of worship does not mean a person becomes a Roman Catholic.

Same over here. MPs have to be Australians. There was a big to do about non Australians in office a couple of years back and several MPs had to resign. You don’t have to be born here but you do have to be a citizen rather than a permanent resident and you have to be eligible for an Australian passport. I think that is right, personally.

It’s the 21st century Kali2 why would it matter if the PM of the UK was a Hindu.

Racial or religious bigotry should have no place in politics...

It will be interesting to see what the comments will be if Sunak becomes PM. He's Hindu

Indeed I think that would be very interesting- but it would be clear from the start. Sunak would not pretend to be something, and then turn coat.

I personally think it is high time for the State and CofE Church, and all religions, to be totally separated from State. It makes no sense at all.

But it is what it is, and it is important, still now.

I also think the rule in the USA that any President has to be born in the USA? Why on earth? Someone who has lived there for say, 20 years, is full integrated, etc- should be allowed to represent her or his country. But again, it is what it is. Pretending it is not, is just plain nonsense.

“As now even Amnesty International have Johnson and his vile Conservative Government on their list.''

Vile?

It is Registry office here in Australia.

www.registerofficenearme.com/listing/abergavenny-register-office/

I'm moving away from my keyboard now

And back to Boris, he's married to Carrie. And that's all there is to it.

Callistemon

Talullah

I'm being very petty now but it's Register Office, not Registry.

That aside, there has been umpteen posts explaining how Boris was able to marry in church.

Perhaps we're behind the times in Wales:

Registry office in Rhadyr, Wales. Closed
Abergavenny Registry Office
Civil Registration Office for Births, Deaths & Marriages

Registry is becoming common parlance. It is stressful to me. It shouldn't be. We were always told to correct people. But we are fighting a losing battle. Everyone says it now. Even the BBC . It's a bit like people saying sloth with regard to the animal and pronouncing it so as to rhyme with cloth.

www.gov.uk/register-offices

welbeck

Disraeli was Anglican.
i believe his father or grandfather had joined the church.

but i agree with your general point.
i think Kali has missed upthread where someone pointed out that the role of the PM to advise the monarch on church appts was removed in 2008.
since 2013 royals inc the monarch, may marry a catholic.

I was told by my history teacher that Disraeli's parents had him baptised precisely so that he Jewish background wouldn't hold him back in life. Quite pragmatic of them, I'd say, it was the 19th century after all. Times have changed, fortunately.

Kali2 Mon 31-May-21 18:42:21

Kali

There is nothing in the vows you have quoted that is incompatible with the faith of an Christian in the C of E.

NotSpaghetti

Godparents don't all have to be Catholic Kali.

No they don't. I'm C of E but have a Catholic goddaughter. I promised to bring her up in the faith and have done my best to do so. It was a real joy to see her confirmed in the Catholic church on Easter Eve three years ago.

I thought that discrimination, on religious grounds, had long since been denounced.

It should have been but unfortunately, if this thread is anything to go by, it has not.

For instance:
Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Marrying a Roman Catholic in a Roman Catholic place of worship does not mean a person becomes a Roman Catholic.

Being baptised a Roman Catholic as a baby does not mean you cannot renounce Catholicism at some stage in your life.

Attending a Roman Catholic church does not make you a Catholic.

It will be interesting to see what the comments will be if Sunak becomes PM. He's Hindu.

Am starting to wonder if there is a lot of hostility stillto Catholics getting senior positions.
I remember Cherie Blair getting a lot of flak generally and for no good reason, and did wonder at the time if it was because she was a Catholic.
Now Carrie Symonds is getting the same treatment from some people.....

Do you not hink so

No Kali2 I do not. And now that you've confirmed that your suggestion wasn't meant to be amusing but was, in fact, deadly serious, I'm even more perplexed as to precisely what it is that you're wanting to achieve with this thread. You initially started it as an outraged complaint that Boris Johnson had married in the Catholic church (even though he was born into a Catholic practising family). Then you claimed outrage that the Catholic faith was being undermined by the fact that he had subsequently changed to the C of E faith, even though other posters, with far more knowledge of the Catholic faith came on to correct you. Then you appeared to have issue with the fact that England cannot have a Catholic leader due to some ancient and long
defunct laws. So, like others, I'm completely at a loss to understand exactly what it is that's grinding your gears now. No one, apart from you it seems, cares one iota whether anyone is Catholic, Jewish, Presbyterian or Muslim. And I find it dismaying that, in 2021, you do. I thought that discrimination, on religious grounds, had long since been denounced.

Do you not hink so?

This reminded me of the story of Jesus going into the temple and overturning the tables:
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

The C of E and the Catholic church are hardly poor.
The tithe is a form of blackmail.