Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Devorgilla, me too! It's such an emotive topic for me, the thread brought bac some unhappy memories. I detest discrimination of any kind.
I hope the next time we meet, it will be on a happier note.

I really need to leave this thread now, I haven't even started dinner! Now there is another contentious topic, women and their role in society!

Marydoll, I can understand from your experience in Scotland why you would be upset by my post. I am aware of the sectarianism in Scotland too as my grandmother and father were Scottish and I spent many holidays over there. Indeed, once they moved to Ireland, I only remember them attending Church very infrequently. My mother too, raised by a very religious mother, had no time for organised religion. She resented men telling women what they could and could not do, and that came from both bodies of the Christian faith in Ireland. I used the issues I mentioned because in Ireland, both North and South, they were contentious ones as I grew up. Some still apply today - witness the stance in NI taken on abortion. When I included education of women I was thinking more of extreme Islam but should not have mixed, at least in my own mind, different religions in my argument. I do remember though, teachers of both sides giving the distinct impression that women were educated to educate and rear children better and not as a right in their own advancement. Another belief my mother taught us to reject. I am glad we have made our peace with one another.

Kali2

Would be interesting to know what Poot, Paisley and Forster feel about this in NI ?

Whyever?

Arlene Foster no longer leads the DUP - (keep up at the back!)

Did you mean Edwin Poots ?
I am even less likely to want to hear his opinion
On the election of Poots^‘If you are gay or a woman, be worried’ – NI community worker
And Ian Paisley Jr is hardly a paragon of virtue
MPs voted to suspend Paisley from the House of Commons for 30 sitting days, beginning on 4 September 2018, because he broke paid advocacy rules by receiving hospitality from the Sri Lankan government without declaring that to the Commons. Following his suspension, the Recall of MPs Act 2015 was invoked for the first time since it received Royal Assent

Devorgilla, I hope you will understand that you touch a raw nerve. I apologise if I misunderstood your post, it's all about perception and the perils of not actually having a discussion, face to face. PAX!

Your post did not cause me angst, just added to my annoyance. It was the tone of some of the posts and as I previously said, the half baked facts about Catholicism, posted on this thread, which upset me.

Living in the West of Scotland, I am familiar with sectarianism. We had to sell our house because, our once friendly neighbour, made our life a living hell, once he found out we were Roman Catholics. I have never forgotten those terrible days, when I had a new baby and a toddler to cope with, which caused me to have a breakdown. I have never experienced such hatred. I was terrified to leave the house. It got so bad, the police were involved.

For that reason, I was heavily involved in anti sectarianism projects and have brought my children to respect everyone.
No-one in this country should have to experience what we experienced. My son married a non Catholic, whom we welcomed into our family with open arms. My other son won't be getting married in a Catholic church. I respect all religions, so should others.

Marydoll, you can relax. I am not anti-Catholic, merely used that scenario as a means of showing how extreme religious views held by people in power can affect policies. I grew up in the North of Ireland where I saw both sides of the extremist debate, and its effects, first hand. As such I am not a fan of organised religion. It cannot be denied though that people have suffered and continue to suffer because the religious beliefs of powerful leaders in different parts of the world are imposed on the population. I used the Roman Catholic Faith here because that is the religion we were discussing in the PM's case. I was pleased to see that GB righted a wrong regarding Roman Catholics becoming PM. I use the full term Roman Catholic because all Christians are members of the Catholic (Universal) Church. I apologise if I caused you all angst. It was not my intention. Your criticism of my posts does however show how divisive religion can be and how misunderstandings can arise.

So far as the Catholic Church is concerned, Boris was baptised a Catholic and thus is still a Catholic. His first two marriages in the Anglican Church do not count in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Carrie is a Catholic - Boris would not have been able to marry in a Catholic church if he had previously had a Catholic marriage, they do not marry divorcees although an individual priest may choose to give the couple a blessing. I do not understand why all this is such a big deal but some people are spouting nonsense. My husband and I are atheists and married in a registry office as we did not want to be hypocritical but I do not comment on the choices of others - that is between them and their god, if they have one.

Marydoll

Me too, Callistemon, which is why I found this comment: For example, what if he orchestrated that only Roman Catholics could run for selection, got a massive majority and then implemented policies like doing away with divorce, contraception, abortions, education of women etc a little bit unsettling. Is that how some posters perceive Catholics?

Is that how some posters perceive Catholics?
Or Prime Ministers?
Or how our Constitutional Monarchy works?

I will have to retreat from this thread, my BP is going through the roof, especially as I have detected a hint of anti Catholicism on this thread.

We should be able live our lives, respecting all religions, none of us can be absolutely sure we have chosen the right one! Live and let live!!

Me too, Callistemon, which is why I found this comment: For example, what if he orchestrated that only Roman Catholics could run for selection, got a massive majority and then implemented policies like doing away with divorce, contraception, abortions, education of women etc a little bit unsettling. Is that how some posters perceive Catholics?

Regardless of his religion, he should be impartial.

I wouldn't like to think that a person's religion would preclude them from becoming Prime Minister in multicultural Britain.

Tony only converted once he had left Downing Street.

It shouldn't really matter what religion the PM is. Regardless of his religion, he should be impartial.

This thread is going nowhere, because posters are just repeating the same thing over and over again, without bothering to read what has been previously posted.
I for one, would prefer to read posts based on facts, not speculation and half baked knowledge of Catholicism. However, as this is an open forum, everyone has the right to post.

I blame Henry VIII
He set all the precedents

Good point Sooze58; the Catholic church, the government and the country appeared to survive the cataclysmic fallout from that didn't it? Oh wait...... that's right, no one actually cared. Unless kali2 is still ruminating on it?

Cherie Blair was a Catholic and Tony converted.

Would you be in such a froth if he was a practising Muslim Kali? Jewish? Sikh? Is it actually the religious aspect that's ruffling your feathers or is it anything whatsoever that BoJo does/says/thinks?

Two people fell in love and got married. That should be enough reason for anyone

Yes Kali2, you took the words out of my mouth. In a perfect world the religion of the PM should not matter as it is a personal thing. However, if he brings his religion to bear on policies that affect all, or some, of the electorate that is another matter entirely. For example, what if he orchestrated that only Roman Catholics could run for selection, got a massive majority and then implemented policies like doing away with divorce, contraception, abortions, education of women etc? All across the world we see the religion of the leaders denying others their rights. I seem to remember an outcry over the staunchly held beliefs of the people Kali2 mentions.

Would be interesting to know what Poot, Paisley and Forster feel about this in NI ?

Totally agree!

My son and DIL had a nuptial Mass. DIL was a member of the Church of Scotland and had been baptised. That was sixteen years ago.

Thanks for the explanation grandtante

I used to teach in a Catholic high school 1970-71 and I was a Methodist. No one ever asked me anything about it. I used to say Hail Marys with the best of them, everyone did. I wouldn't do it these days because I am more committed to my particular faith.

Did they have a Nuptial Mass? I have seen no mention of this.
It's only allowed if both parties are Catholics, or was in my day. May have changed since.

My Mum ( a Catholic) and Dad (C of E) were married in a Registry Office during the war. Mum said how the Priest, who was a bit of a family friend too, used to come around and try to get them to marry again in the RC Church as their marriage was not recognised in the eyes of God. She used to go mad and many arguments ensued as she didn’t believe God would be as biased! Good for Mum!