Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Sorry previous marriages not evils

If as they say that Boris's evils marriage are null and void that that make his older children illegitimate?

Remind me why any of this mumbo jumbo is in the least important?

Apologies for the string of posts!

They may or may not be. They are certainly entitled to express a view on it. Otherwise we had better put a stop to the threads on Trump, France, and so on.

Alegrias1

Just to be clear - I don't know why anyone cares what religion he is, or why it matters.

He could be a Jedi for all I care!!
Or none.

Galaxy

GN is accessed by most countries do people not understand this?

I doubt that my Catholic (or non-Catholic) relatives in other countries are bothered one jot about this.

Marydoll Tue 01-Jun-21 17:31:30

Marydoll I think you, more than anyone on here, appear to know exactly what you are talking about.

Although members of my family, including some very close to me, are Catholics, I would not profess to know how most of them feel about this. However, I have just been chatting to one who, although devout, is not that bothered by this marriage because the bride is Catholic and, as they said, it is her first marriage and obviously means a lot to her.

The only person for whom it might be relevant is the monarch because they are head of the CofE.

That is true and it is why Prince Michael of Kent relinquished his right to the throne when he married a Roman Catholic.

this pretending to be a Catholic is just another fact that shows up his lack of honesty and how he will twist and bend anything to his own end.

Did he pretend to be a Catholic Kali2? Or acquiesce to what his Catholic bride wanted?

Non-Catholics can marry Catholics in RC services as some in my family have done. I think they just have to promise to bring up any children of the union in the Catholic faith, which they have also done.

Baggs

Peasblossom

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

I don't either. What is the difference, please? I thought they were the same thing.

The Church of England is the Mother Church of the Anglican communion of churches which is worldwide.

Does the Equality Act not make a person's religion, or lack of it, irrelevant, constitutionally or otherwise, except to them personally, then, Kali?

The only person for whom it might be relevant is the monarch because they are head of the CofE.

I am wondering at what stage obsession becomes harrassment, MerylStreep. Because this is not allowed on GN. You know nothing about me and you have no right whatsoever to make ridiculous assumptions. There are thousands out there who feel exactly as I do about Johnson- this pretending to be a Catholic is just another fact that shows up his lack of honesty and how he will twist and bend anything to his own end.

But yes, Constitutionally, it is a first, and with implications.

Mind you, if it shakes Ye Olde Apple tree, I am all for it, in many ways.

It is an intrinsic rule of GN to discuss the topic, and not the poster- or to make assumptions and fish for information.

Whilst I agree in general with your post @ 19.40 MerylStreep, I'm concerned that Kali appears to be suggesting that the faith a person follows should dictate whether or not they can hold a position in government. It's beginning to look less like an abhorrence of Boris Johnson and more like discrimination against him because of him being Catholic.

And Kali please stop telling people what they can post; it's bad mannered.

Just to be clear - I don't know why anyone cares what religion he is, or why it matters.

MerylStreep

Kali2
why would you, it would make no sense at all
That’s what I asked you. Why get so annoyed at something that doesn’t affect one when living in another country.

Ah, thanks, Meryl. I get it now.

Well said, Alegrias and Chewie.

It's obvious that if he's religious at all, Boris is a Christian. Surely that's enough to know and more than we need to know.

Kali2
why would you, it would make no sense at all
That’s what I asked you. Why get so annoyed at something that doesn’t affect one when living in another country.

Peasblossom

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

I don't either. What is the difference, please? I thought they were the same thing.

Alegrias1

It's seriously amazing to me that anybody cares what religion our PM is. Wasn't Disraeli Jewish? What would happen if Sunak became PM?

Exactly this, Thank you Alegrias. Wtf does it matter what religion Boris Johnson is, or anyone else for that matter. The man is a berk but that's nothing to do with his religion. Kali would you be quite so het up if he was Jewish? Or Sikh? Is it the religious following or just the man that you
quite understandably dislike? You've been throwidng factoids around about the Catholic faith for 2 days now. What is the problem?

Kali you don’t seem to know the difference between the Church of England and the Anglican Church.

25Avalon

The so called expert who obviously is not a Conservative or BJ admirer has seemingly not done his homework. In 2008 Gordon Brown, Labour PM, amended the constitutional link between the Church of England and the government executive. The Prime Minister and other ministers no longer advise the Crown. The Crown Nomination Commision submit the names of their preferred candidate and the second appointable candidate to the PM who is constitutionally responsible for passing that advise to the Queen.

Gordon Brown’s amendment has thus paved the way for a RC to be PM. Interestingly Tony Blair regularly attended mass as PM but was only received into the Catholic Church after he left office. Boris was baptised in the Catholic faith by his mother but when he was at Eton was confirmed as an Anglican. Then he met Carrie Symonds. Their son, Wilfred, was baptised in the Catholic faith. I’m sure Boris checked the position out carefully before getting married especially with 2 divorces behind him.

Thank you for your unbiased comment, just facts.

GN is accessed by most countries do people not understand this?

Why would you? It would make no sense at all.

Interesting to bring the International dimension, however, as religions, even of the same denomination, are practised VERY differently depending on the Country, or Continent/culture.

For historical reasons, the Anglican Church is not really Protestant, and often seen as Catholicism without the Pope- and can vary hugely from region to region- and even village to village- going from High Church to very 'low' and progressive.

The UK Catholic Church is also not as eucomenical as many on the Continent, again due to the very particulars of British history since Henry VIII.

A very interesting topic on its very own.

Kali2
I think it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask. I’m sure that if I joined a Swiss site discussing Swiss politics and issues and then proceeded to tell you all how wrong you were with issues that had no bearing on my life in the uk, you would ask the same question.