EU citizens in the UK

2016 was the year it all began to hit the fan. trump was elected and even though he is no longer POTUS, the USA is heading down a very difficult sticky road and democracy is in peril. Brexit won’t work. The Leavers lied and now we are in a pretty bad place. We are having to create trade deals all over the plac e - whatever happened to carbon footprints. Some would say we’ve blown it. I truly hope not. But until and unless the Government admits the truth of what a diabolical mess they’ve made, then who knows.

Nothing wrong withFiji, I’m sure it’s a lovely place, but it’s not the same as the worlds biggest trading bloc. It was just used as an example of the scrabbling around we are having to do as a result on this inept government. Now talking about joining the Asian trading bloc - will we get a referendum on whether we want to join that?

I didn’t like the comment about Fiji. It is a lovely country, lovely happy people unlike some I could think of.

The readers of the right wing press - ie 80% of newspaper readers are never going to be told the truth about the disastrous effects of brexit because that does not suit the agenda of their tax exile billionaire propritors.

Timetogo2016 : ”I agree JenniferEccles no need to add anything more”.

I'm afraid there will be a lot of things to add. Covid has masked many problems. EU nationals haven't travelled abroad to the extent they would normally have done. They haven't looked for work, accommodation etc. But if you are never going to need to prove your 'status' you can just dismiss it all because as you say ”no need to add anything more”. It seems to me many people really do believe Brexit is done and dusted and there will not be consequences.

I agree JenniferEccles no need to add anything more.

Oopsadaisy1

Well 5.2 million EU citizens have decided that they prefer the U.K. out of the EU and want to live here.

So, I don’t really get what your point is.

It’s a pity that the EU aren’t treating our U.K. citizens in the same way.

No - many of the EU countries are treating UK citizens much better than the UK is treating EU citizens. Often the decisions are faster and the cost less.

I think it is because in some countries the tax office and immigration department automatically register your right to remain on arrival. You cannot get a personal registration number without it and the Local Authority you are registered in determines your income taxes, healthcare costs etc

I applied to become a dual citizen in Sweden and my application was processed within 12 days and cost £135 (I have heard of people paying thousands in the UK).

I got my letter and went to the Police station where there is a passport unit and applied for my passport, they took the photos and everything and it cost £30 -

Deedaa

Kamiso I can only think that you do not have much to do with people in other countries because I can assure you we are a laughing stock in the rest of the world. People cannot understand why we have removed ourselves from our largest and nearest market while decimating our fishing and farming industries and rejoicing over deals with the likes of Fiji' We have the most inept and corrupt government in Europe and look like being stuck with them for ever. Bitter? Of course I'm bloody bitter!

Absolutely, Deedaa!

Kamiso I can only think that you do not have much to do with people in other countries because I can assure you we are a laughing stock in the rest of the world. People cannot understand why we have removed ourselves from our largest and nearest market while decimating our fishing and farming industries and rejoicing over deals with the likes of Fiji' We have the most inept and corrupt government in Europe and look like being stuck with them for ever. Bitter? Of course I'm bloody bitter!

Ladyleftfieldlover

Well, I’m still bitter about the whole Brexit debacle. I still think it should have been two thirds vote, as happened with the Women Bishop vote. I worry for my children and grandchildren for their lost opportunities. In my opinion this country is turning into a bigoted and unhappy place. We are a laughing stock.

Please speak for yourself. “We” are a laughing stock. You may be but I certainly don’t concern myself with what others think about me. Especially those who are bitter because they will have to pay their own way in future and can’t sponge off the U.K. any longer.

Some people believe all the nonsense being spouted by those who only believe in democracy when it goes the way they, arrogantly, think it should. Still, keep it up. Insulting people who didn’t vote as you think they should will keep you out of power indefinitely.

We are not treating EU citizens in a despicable manner Kali
And millions have successfully applied and been granted settled status. It may take an effort to do it, but the fact that so many have already done so shows it can be done.

Well, I’m still bitter about the whole Brexit debacle. I still think it should have been two thirds vote, as happened with the Women Bishop vote. I worry for my children and grandchildren for their lost opportunities. In my opinion this country is turning into a bigoted and unhappy place. We are a laughing stock.

Some actually re-marry varian
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Hope yet!

I have often wondered how many divorced people who initiated the divorce live to regret it.

I think the Brexit result will be a quiet sadness to me till I die.

Yes, I'm accepting of it. But I accept it in the way that I accept I'm full of aches some days, often in pain and there are things I can't do anymore...

I don't think that means I'm pointlessly bitter or full of resentment JenniferEccles.

No, I am getting on with life as it is.

But it certainly doesn't mean I ought to shut up and embrace it!

My OH and I applied for residency in France earlier this year. It wasn't difficult, nor particularly time consuming. It may have been a problem for those who aren't very computer literate because we had to download and then attach some documents - 3.

We then received an email with the appointment for our fingerprints and a few weeks later the documents arrived. We paid nothing.

JenniferEccles ''Please, please, we have left the EU. Finally completely, permanently (hopefully).

How long is all this pointless bitterness about the result going to last?''

could you please re-read the OP and tell me the connection? The fact we have left the EU does not mean our Government can renege totally on the promises made during the run up to the Referendum. There are ways and ways - and Brexit does NOT mean our Government can now treat EU citizens in the UK in this despicable manner. Does it?

I remember the "concern" about the exploitation of EU citizens (especially from the East) doing low-paid work. It was one of the so-called justifications for Brexit.

You're probably right lemongrove ... people didn't really care about others then either ... it was all a big sham.

The OP is simply yet another tedious assertion that we should have stayed in the EU...dressed up as concern that EU citizens living here couldn't vote to easily continue living here.
However, since the majority have successfully had claims approved there are only a small percentage left who haven't put in yet for settled status.

Elianne, the Home Office has made the settled status application process simple for itself and for some applicants. Is your relative happy that she has no physical proof of her settled status? You say ”She doesn't need to carry a card or anything...” Well, why should she have to carry a card? I can't imagine many Brits carry their birth certificates around with them. I certainly don't trust the Home Office to keep all registrations safe. What happens if their database is hacked, if entries are deleted by mistake? They recently confirmed that the records of more than 15,000 people were accidentally deleted from the Police National Computer.

I suppose your relative is aware that she must contact the Home Office whenever any changes in her circumstances occur and every time she gets a new passport. EU nationals are not as settled as the Home Office would have us believe.

Our EU relative received her official settled status yesterday just a month after applying.
Super fast and efficient process. She doesn't need to carry a card or anything because the details are online and all linked to her passport. All very simple.

At least in the EU, British citizens who have registered properly are getting full documentation and official cards and proof. In the UK, they get nothing- nothing they can show for jobs, at the border, etc. If as in the Windrush disaster, there is a break-down in the IT system- or records are 'accidentally' wiped, they will have NOTHING to show for it.

Having said that, I have zero sympathy for those who are unable to register or get into the system, + health cover, etc, because they have been living under the radar- not paying tay anywhere and abusing the NHS at will, returning to use NHS illegally as and when it suited them.

They will have to return with nothing, and need social housing and increasing health care as they are older now. In some communities, the effect could be very significant.

Have read on DW and de.local, the EU are saying the same to British citizens who want to stay in Germany same for Spain, Holland etc. So not just the UK, as much as this author would like you to believe.

There was a news item on channel 4 the other night about the difficulties some EU nationals have experienced when trying to prove their status. They had applied for and obtained settled status but could not access their status on the database.

No physical document is issued to prove settled status, just a digital code. If employers, banks, landlords etc want to check that settled status has been granted
glitches in the system can make this difficult.

I wrote to my MP several months ago and expressed my dissatisfaction that I have no paper evidence to prove my settled status. She hasn't graced me with a reply as yet.

www.channel4.com/news/brexit-eu-citizens-in-uk-worried-about-their-futures

Bit sweeping to condemn a whole country and its people Lin52 There are small minded and racist people everywhere I think.