Who gives a t*ss?

The way AC has proudly written in his diaries about the way he and TB ogled young women and categorised other women into nags and menopausal. He was called out on his sexism by his own daughter but refused to think there is anything wrong with his attitude. Him and Blair repulse me and if i don't give a toss about politics anymore it is there actions.
They were hope in 1997.
They didn't behave any better than BoJo does.
I hate them more than I hate Thatcher and have done for 20 years. I hate Blair's voice when i hear him sticking his oar in we don't care what he thinks. Disgusting little creep in his high step shoes.

Peasblossom

Well now, if you’re asked to respect and give credence to an opinion, doesn’t it have to come from someone whose judgement you respect?

If it comes from someone whose been known to lie and deceive, can any of his statements be trusted?

Why would anyone give Alastair Campbell headspace? Let alone quote him?

No one is asking you to respect it or give credence to AC but you - or shall we say a reasonable and reasoning person - can still discuss the argument put forward, take it apart and point out where it is wrong - or not.

You won't, of course, if you are one of the people he describes as one of the Not Giving a Tossers because, as he describes, truth doesn't matter to those people it's all about the personality - which is exactly why I was saying they had pinpointed themselves on the first few pages.

People who have done something we disapprove of can still make a perfectly reasoned argument about other things just as those who stand out for the good they do can put forward poor arguments. But the first replies were all about the personality involved. It said everything we needed to know about those posting the replies to AC's argument. They just stood up and fitted the profile.

Peasblossom

Well now, if you’re asked to respect and give credence to an opinion, doesn’t it have to come from someone whose judgement you respect?

If it comes from someone whose been known to lie and deceive, can any of his statements be trusted?

Why would anyone give Alastair Campbell headspace? Let alone quote him?

Well, what you are saying could be even more applicable to Johnson, Peaseblossom. Plus, he's responsible for about the same number of deaths in 1 year.

Surely you approve of the big Tech Companies being held to account over their tax payments, or is it just because the deal has been done under a Conservative Government that brings out the sarcasm?

I would be pleased if Big Tech can be held to account over their tax payments. Not because it means 'more money for the exchequer, but because it means that money can be shared around more fairly.

I assumed that you were mentioning it with a belief that it would mean that higher tax revenues would avert some cuts in state spending. Which it won't. It won't because taxation isn't necessary for state spending. The UK is not a household which can only spend what it 'earns'.It can create its own money without fear, so long as there is something to spend it on.

We haven't 'borrowed' the bulk of the extraordinary covid related expenditure. It's money 'created' by the BoE. We don't have to pay it back. Cuts in state spending will come, and they will come not because they are necessary (in fact, they are self defeating as they depress the economy rather than grow it) but because Sunak and the tories are ideologically committed to 'small state' & minimal public spending.

Well now, if you’re asked to respect and give credence to an opinion, doesn’t it have to come from someone whose judgement you respect?

If it comes from someone whose been known to lie and deceive, can any of his statements be trusted?

Why would anyone give Alastair Campbell headspace? Let alone quote him?

AC pointing the finger at the electorate/British public saying we don't give a toss.

Whatdayisit

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Who has the audacity to make what claim?

Now maybe because those posting their anger with AC simply aren't capable of reasoned argument or perhaps they know that what is being said hits the nail on the head
Let's look at some of ACs points
If you don’t think it is important that the prime minister is a proven and brazen liar, you really don’t give a toss about whether our democratic systems work or not.
Oh we cared, we so cared unfortunately the greatest lie of all time was just glossed over, you know the one Tony Blair told to take us into an illegal war- something he has never been made to account for.
If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead,
Much as Campbell raged at MPs to toe the line but accepted thousands of dead Iraqis?
If you are a journalist who cares about truth, but who does not pursue it with vigour when it comes to the words or deeds of the prime minister and his cabinet, I’m afraid your lethargy, and the ease with which you take proprietorial orders or a Number 10 line, moves you from giving a toss to not giving a toss. You are the Fifth Column for the Not Giving A Tossers.
This from the man who was notorious for using the press and his journalist friends to threaten and control MPs.
The DGT attitude can be placed firmly at Mr Campbell's door.

Whatdayisit

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Ditto

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Whatdayisit

Greta

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

That's a strange thing to say. I haven't called him a liar and i haven't read any other comments saying he is lieing in this article - it's his opinion.
The majority of posters are saying that one thing they don't give a toss about is AC's thoughts on people in this country not giving a toss.

I don't think it's that strange. The pile-on on the first few pages was all about what people think about AC and how they wouldn't trust anything he said.

Now maybe because those posting their anger with AC simply aren't capable of reasoned argument or perhaps they know that what is being said hits the nail on the head but it was a full-on attack by many who would come into the category of AC's DGaTs. This was summed up by AC in:

If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead, and willing to dismiss any and all suggestion that Johnson did not take the virus seriously, or was too busy sorting out his private life to focus on it, or was finishing a book to recoup the advance because he doesn’t see how anyone can survive unless on at least ten times the national average salary, then you are so far gone into the Land of Not Giving a Toss because ‘Boris is a character and Starmer’s a bit boring’ that you may as well not bother having a passport to come back.

All that chest-beating on the first couple of pages was designed to throw everyone off the scent but pinpointed many on here who fit the bill exactly - and they recognised that.

Whatdayisit yes your last sentence is spot on?

I am pleased that the Tech Companies are being brought to heel tax wise.

MerylStreep interesting article.

Greta

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

That's a strange thing to say. I haven't called him a liar and i haven't read any other comments saying he is lieing in this article - it's his opinion.
The majority of posters are saying that one thing they don't give a toss about is AC's thoughts on people in this country not giving a toss.

Dinahmo
Quite ironic really when it was the head honcho of the eu when he was Prime minister of Luxembourg who gave the tech giants the sweetheart tax deals. www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/luxembourg-made-172-secret-tax-deals-with-companies-in-year-after-luxleaks/

I don't think they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party." holds water.

I have always been interested in politics and was more involved when I was younger. In my opinion that is generally true. The idea that people are only interested because they are older doesn't seem to be based on any real information. Those who were DGat's in early life - or simply don't care about others - will still be that way and those who did give a toss and wanted to do something about it will, although with more or less energy, probably still feel that way too. On the edges, I expect some came to politics late and some leave this previous interest.

I think Campbell is probably absolutely right. The one thing he fails to mention of course is that not giving a toss is actually the ultimate legacy of the government he worked for and advised. That if you consistently and regularly abandon all principles, lie and act illegally then people begin to lose faith in the organisation you represent. If succeeding governments continue to lie and fail to act on their promises then of course people stop giving a toss. You might fall for one snake oil salesman but eventually you recognise them for what they are and walk by.

GrannyGravy13

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

They may well agree (they would, wouldn't they) but they've got to enact the legislation. Fish might fly. (and please don't tell me that some do)

Not to denigrate Maizie's knowledge but those held in esteem for their knowledge in this area have been telling the government the same as Maizie tells us for a very long time. It is not in the government's interest to listen to the truth so they don't GrannyGravy13.

I agree Chestnut, this is good news - as long as the poorer nations get their fair share.

Some people either have short memories, or they don't bother to read what's been written or they actually disbelieve posters who have told them several times about the new EU rules.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD perhaps you should write to him and offer your financial expertise to the treasury.

Surely you approve of the big Tech Companies being held to account over their tax payments, or is it just because the deal has been done under a Conservative Government that brings out the sarcasm?

Had we stayed in the Eu this would have happened more than a year ago. The reason why the extreme right in the Tories wanted to leave the EU was because of legislation being brought in w.e.f 1 January 2020.

I think that's great news about the tech companies. My god, they will be due to pay a fortune. It's been a long time coming.

MaizieD perhaps you should write to him and offer your financial expertise to the treasury.

Surely you approve of the big Tech Companies being held to account over their tax payments, or is it just because the deal has been done under a Conservative Government that brings out the sarcasm?

GrannyGravy13

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

And what has that to do with the price of fish?

Taxation doesn't fund spending. The UK now has a big 'paper' deficit giving Sunak an excuse to go for full blown (and completely unnecessary) austerity measures.

*there should be their