Who gives a t*ss?

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

GG Hear hear.

they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party."

There is absolutely no need to do any trawling, GG13. Negative stories jump out at you with every turn...

Dinahmo's advice is sound because, believe you me, Sunak has his sights firmly set on massive cuts to public spending.

GG13
^"As the OP posted, in my opinion (going on conversations I have taken part in and/or overheard) there are many many folks in the U.K. that do not dissect every political argument/article. They see the vaccine roll-out as a win-win situation for the U.K. and by default this is a plus for the PM, he promised Brexit, he delivered Brexit (and again they are not forensically checking every article regarding the current situation)
The reasons for not going over every detail of the current government’s daily business (and this is only my opinion) is they are too busy getting on with their lives, they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party."^

I would suggest that they ought to be thinking about the current situation. They may well think that Johnson is the bees knees but they will get a surprise one day when the jobs/money/projects fail to materialise.

growstuff

Dinahmo

grannysyb

The one thing I will never forgive Blair for is the decision to charge students tuition fees. My grandchildren will be in debt for years. Those who voted for this were all lucky enough to get their education for free. Further education colleges have been underfunded for years, we need apprentices with technical skills.

Your grandchildren, by getting a higher level of education than the majority of young people are better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment. I can see no reason why they should not contribute financially towards their futures.

In any event, repayment of the loans doesn't start until they earn at least £27,000 and any amount outstanding after 30 years is cancelled.

As regards apprentices, their training would be paid for by the employers.

Not only that, but the fees the Blair government introduced were nowhere near the level of today's fees, which have been designed not to be paid off. They are, in effect, a graduate tax. Furthermore, under the Blair government, there was still an element of non-repayable grant for students from families with low incomes.

I agree with what has been said in reply to grannysyb's post One thing we need to recognise is that, if our children are as well educated as they can be, with a possibility of further increasing that education through their lives they will not only be better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment [Dinahmo] in this country but in the international market we have been competing in for some decades.

The aim should not be to reduce the 50% going to University (as the Conservatives appear to be suggesting) but to increase the number and widen the offering.

Good post GG exactly what a lot of us feel I should think.??

GrannyGravey13 - well said ?
Boris always comes up smelling of roses no matter how much mud is thrown on him.

Great post Grannygravy13.

PippaZ

You can only conclude, from this thread, that those who voted for Boris (and probably Brexit) and still support him as a happy chappy are so narrow-minded they cannot see outside their repetitive spiel.

So so wrong.

I have repeatedly posted that I am not a fan of Boris Johnson (actually bored of posting this), I have repeatedly posted that if/when Boris Johnson is found guilty (in a court of law or official enquiry) he should be bound by the results and accept the consequences.

As the OP posted, in my opinion (going on conversations I have taken part in and/or overheard) there are many many folks in the U.K. that do not dissect every political argument/article. They see the vaccine roll-out as a win-win situation for the U.K. and by default this is a plus for the PM, he promised Brexit, he delivered Brexit (and again they are not forensically checking every article regarding the current situation)

The reasons for not going over every detail of the current government’s daily business (and this is only my opinion) is they are too busy getting on with their lives, they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party.

None of the above can/should be considered as not giving a toss it’s called living through a pandemic the best way they can for them and their families.

The more mud and allegations thrown at Boris Johnson the higher his polling, as soon as the media wakes up to this phenomenon the better.

Dominic Cummings, Alistair Campbell and no doubt all others who will come along with articles about the PM have a relatively narrow audience outside the Westminster Bubble

AC is jumping on the bash Boris bandwagon, I wonder what his reason is, as I very much doubt it is altruistic,

Dinahmo

grannysyb

The one thing I will never forgive Blair for is the decision to charge students tuition fees. My grandchildren will be in debt for years. Those who voted for this were all lucky enough to get their education for free. Further education colleges have been underfunded for years, we need apprentices with technical skills.

Your grandchildren, by getting a higher level of education than the majority of young people are better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment. I can see no reason why they should not contribute financially towards their futures.

In any event, repayment of the loans doesn't start until they earn at least £27,000 and any amount outstanding after 30 years is cancelled.

As regards apprentices, their training would be paid for by the employers.

Not only that, but the fees the Blair government introduced were nowhere near the level of today's fees, which have been designed not to be paid off. They are, in effect, a graduate tax. Furthermore, under the Blair government, there was still an element of non-repayable grant for students from families with low incomes.

Greta

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

Not fair Greta! I, for one, considered what Campbell wrote and I can see that some other people have too.

Chewbacca

^so narrow-minded they cannot see outside their repetitive spiel.^

To be fair PippaZ, I think that describes both sides of the political discussions on GN. Both sides are deeply entrenched in their opinions and beliefs and both sides firmly believe the other side is completely wrong. But you have to have an open mind to be able to see that.

What about those who try to discuss political issues without "taking sides"?

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

But what about Campbell's message? I would say there is a reasonably high correlation between those who "don't give a toss" and voting for Johnson.

so narrow-minded they cannot see outside their repetitive spiel.

To be fair PippaZ, I think that describes both sides of the political discussions on GN. Both sides are deeply entrenched in their opinions and beliefs and both sides firmly believe the other side is completely wrong. But you have to have an open mind to be able to see that.

The divisions as referred to by AC are pretty apparent in the posts above. Unlike one poster on here who thinks that the divisions go back to Blair, I think that they started much earlier, with Thatcher's pronouncements that there is no such thing as society.

I'd agree. But the point of Campbell's argument is that there is a 'new' division between those who have an interest in, and who care about the way that the country is governed (which includes the probity of those doing the governing) and those who couldn't give a monkey's.

As growstuff and others have commented, the replies admirably demonstrate the soundness of his proposition.

Is that a scientific survey PippaZ?

Thinking Campbell is yesterday's man, wandering around in the political wilderness and thank goodness after all the devastation he caused and not wanting the country to enter in an illegal war does not mean anyone voted Brexit or voted for Johnson.

That is a complete non-sequitur.

What a strange conclusion

You can only conclude, from this thread, that those who voted for Boris (and probably Brexit) and still support him as a happy chappy are so narrow-minded they cannot see outside their repetitive spiel.

GrannyGravy13

I am off out to dinner with friends (lovely Italian overlooking the beach)

If the thread is still here I will have a look in the morning.

I would say that I am surprised at some posters rooting for Alistair Campbell but in actuality I realise they will put anyone on a pedestal if they are anti our current PM.

Whose "rooting" for Alistair Campbell? Just one will do GrannyGravy13. Just to show you know the meaning of the words you use.

MaizieD Thank you for starting this post. My OH told me about AC's article yesterday and I was intending to write about it but was too busy.

The divisions as referred to by AC are pretty apparent in the posts above. Unlike one poster on here who thinks that the divisions go back to Blair, I think that they started much earlier, with Thatcher's pronouncements that there is no such thing as society.

With regard to AC's "mortgage application fraud" it was Mandelson who neglected to declare existing mortgages and loans when applying to a building society for what turned out to be a fourth mortgage/loan.

Yet again people are posting untruths which will continue to be believed and repeated no matter how many times these are refuted.

Well I give a toss and I get infuriated at the acceptance of incompetence and sleaze that is ignored on a regular basis.

Love it when people are open to ideas and progressive thought????.

GrannyGravy13

I am off out to dinner with friends (lovely Italian overlooking the beach)

If the thread is still here I will have a look in the morning.

I would say that I am surprised at some posters rooting for Alistair Campbell but in actuality I realise they will put anyone on a pedestal if they are anti our current PM.

Letting your imagination run riot aren't you?

Those who agree with Campbell's ideas as expounded in his article in the New European have denied his role in the Iraq War. Similarly those who accept that there is an element of truth in DC's comment last week have not changed their attitudes towards the man himself.

growstuff

As an illustration of "quod erat demonstrandum", this thread is going to take some beating.

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grannysyb

The one thing I will never forgive Blair for is the decision to charge students tuition fees. My grandchildren will be in debt for years. Those who voted for this were all lucky enough to get their education for free. Further education colleges have been underfunded for years, we need apprentices with technical skills.

Your grandchildren, by getting a higher level of education than the majority of young people are better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment. I can see no reason why they should not contribute financially towards their futures.

In any event, repayment of the loans doesn't start until they earn at least £27,000 and any amount outstanding after 30 years is cancelled.

As regards apprentices, their training would be paid for by the employers.