Birthing People - inclusive or offensive?

Stonewall now want schools to stop using boy and girl.

Computers will be confused. Hope the cpu tells the memory about the change to birthingpersonboard.

trisher is this sentence true?
"Han descru enjovo san."

I expect you have no idea because you don't know what those words mean.
Language only works because there is an agreement as to what the words mean.

Yes, countless transmen have given birth. They are still women and female and mothers.
They may wish to call themselves 'birthing persons' but that doesn't mean they have the right to remove the word 'mother' from other women.

It is neither inclusive nor offensive......it is just plain daft.

Just watched some footage of a Democratic Health Committee member (male) I think he was the Head, trying to justify this nonsense when questioned by a Republican (male ) and he avoided using the word Mother so many times in his answers it was truly pitiful. I fear there is no depths they will go to in appeasing the militants.

“birthing person” doesn’t cover it all anyway does it?

The issue of adoptive mothers has already been raised but there are also those who have a surrogate birth. The surrogate is the birthing person but genetically not the mother.

So it isn’t inclusive at all.

I have no problem with women wanting to become men, but if you want to go down this route then all your female reproductive parts should be removed.

You cannot have it both ways, if you want to be a man, then you give up the right to be able to give birth.

Indeed, going along with a delusion that people can change sex could be dangerous for those people, with respect to their medical treatment.
How is that helped by changing the wording used for everyone?

FarNorth

^It seems very odd to me to claim to be a supporter of women but to deny one section of women their rights.^

But transmen are men trisher! They are absolutely not a section of women.

I absolutely agree but from the posts on this thread many don't believe that. If you believe they are women still how can you deny their right to be called men or to not be called mother?
It shows how stupid denying trans rights is and how stupid the argument that this is anything to do with feminism is. It's plainly and simply prejudice and discrimination.

trisher why are you happy that the term 'mother' is to be removed from the millions of women who would wish to be called that?

At the very least, as previously suggested, the phrase 'mothers and birthing persons' could be used in whatever context Biden wants.

There was a lot posted on other threads about how the issue for trans people is their health care and their well being and how they shouldn't be catgorised as their trans gender because it might interfere with that provision. Isn't not permitting transmen to be included in health care provision (and bear in mind they may not want to be called mother) dangerous for them? If a transman is pregnant might special care be needed?

It seems very odd to me to claim to be a supporter of women but to deny one section of women their rights.

But transmen are men trisher! They are absolutely not a section of women.

The OP is not about the word 'woman' or 'women' being removed. It is about the word 'mother'.

'Mother' is a word that means someone who is pregnant or has given birth and/or is a female person in a parental rôle, bringing up a child.

It's ridiculous of transmen and non binary people who give birth to insist that they are not mothers.

Use of the term 'birthing person' doesn't conceal that these are female people who give birth.

So even if those people claim to be male, or to have no sex, everyone knows the fact of the matter and this change is pointless.

FarNorth

So how is it supporting women to deny them the right to become men if they wish

trisher that's the best one you've come out with, yet.

I think I'd like to have become a boy/man until I wanted to give birth then become a woman then swap back again.

Sounds like the perfect solution.

GrannyGravy13

trisher

So if a woman wishes to be called a man you would all force her to remain a woman? Isn't that imposing your views on others? Isn't that Doodledog what the patriachy has done to people for centuries? Isn't that how the patriachy survives by labelling and seperating people? And some women are being consumed by it and are actually supporting views because they think it somehow resticts women. It doesn't. Trans men if they give birth have a right to call themselves whatever they wish, and I would support that right. Just as I would support any other human right. It seems very odd to me to claim to be a supporter of women but to deny one section of women their rights.

I have absolutely nothing against women transitioning to a male however you can spin this as much as you like but *men do not give birth*

Trans men do a trans man has.

Far North I'm glad you appreciate it but it is a valid question if as so many seem to state you cannot change your sex and remain female whatever you do (and therefore a woman) how can you actually claim to support women but deny someone the right to be called whatever they wish? Either they are a woman and therefore worthy of your consideration and acceptance if you support women. If you regard them as a man then perhaps they might be a considered a threat to women but you can't have it both ways.

trisher

So if a woman wishes to be called a man you would all force her to remain a woman? Isn't that imposing your views on others? Isn't that Doodledog what the patriachy has done to people for centuries? Isn't that how the patriachy survives by labelling and seperating people? And some women are being consumed by it and are actually supporting views because they think it somehow resticts women. It doesn't. Trans men if they give birth have a right to call themselves whatever they wish, and I would support that right. Just as I would support any other human right. It seems very odd to me to claim to be a supporter of women but to deny one section of women their rights.

I have absolutely nothing against women transitioning to a male however you can spin this as much as you like but men do not give birth

Am I the only person who’s reminded of the scene in The Life of Brian where Stan wants to have a baby?

So if a woman wishes to be called a man you would all force her to remain a woman? Isn't that imposing your views on others? Isn't that Doodledog what the patriachy has done to people for centuries? Isn't that how the patriachy survives by labelling and seperating people? And some women are being consumed by it and are actually supporting views because they think it somehow resticts women. It doesn't. Trans men if they give birth have a right to call themselves whatever they wish, and I would support that right. Just as I would support any other human right. It seems very odd to me to claim to be a supporter of women but to deny one section of women their rights.

So how is it supporting women to deny them the right to become men if they wish

trisher that's the best one you've come out with, yet.

To grow a baby you need a womb (at present time) , only women/females have wombs.

Women give birth, whatever they wish to call themselves they are women.

Corisanda

Totally crazy and I'm so sick of this woke rubbish.

I understand the Green Party now describe women as non-men. What woman would vote for such garbage.

........so are the men "non women" ? because if women are non men, then surely in the interests of addressing the balance, the men have to be reclassified as well. How do non men and non women even begin to abide by such conundrums I suppose all we can hope is that adherents to this tom foolery brave new world will disappear up their own non gender specific exhaust pipes!

As Ted from Line of Duty would say,

‘Holy Birthing Person!’

Ridiculous and I totally agree with SueDonim's point about adoptive mothers.

merlotgran

Bloody ridiculous.

Just that!