Should Nicola Sturgeon have discouraged Scottish Football fans without tickets from travelling to London?

And Scottish like them?

People like to blame NS for things that they don't blame other leaders for, because she is Scottish and/or female. Using comparisons and analogies shows that assertion to be true.

As I said (several times now) Yes, she did tell them not to go but they still went.

It's not me who is blaming her.

However, the Scottish fans ignored her and went anyway - is that because she is female?

Nothing and no-one will stop football fans doing what they want imo.
And i wouldn`t like to be in the police force who try their best to tackle the idiotic bunch of idiots.

Alegrias1

^the same would be said if English fans had gone to Edinburgh or Glascow.^ But they didn't.

The Welsh went to Azerbaijan. The English went to Portugal.

Nobody started threads about how Mark Drakeford / Boris Johnson should have told them not to.

You're perfectly at liberty to start threads about that if you wish.

I do hope the Welsh didn't trash Baku. Only a few hundred fans with tickets travelled there and, of course, had to take a PCR test before returning to Wales.
Said one fan:
"We've got to get a private PCR test and get the result before we arrive in Baku. They also need proof of the tickets for the Euros and that's how you get the visa for entry."

Quite a different scenario.

OK, in words of one syllable.

People like to blame NS for things that they don't blame other leaders for, because she is Scottish and/or female. Using comparisons and analogies shows that assertion to be true.

Sorry, not all words one syllable.

She surely wouldn’t have risked anything bound to be so hugely unpopular!
Other things maybe, but *football is a virtually religion to so many, and therefore pretty much untouchable.

*I was sorely tempted to add an expletive there, but it was far too rude for Gransnet. ?

To be honest, I think football matches shouldn’t be open to fans at all, and no fans should be travelling anywhere. That includes to Portugal, Wembley or anywhere else. Ascot shouldn’t have had crowds there last week either. We’re told to only meet outdoors with up to 30 people, and then thousands attend sporting events!

Which is exactly what I said.
Yes, she did and they still went despite having no tickets.

Describing a hypothetical situation about English fans travelling to Scotland without tickets is a red herring as it did not happen.

the same would be said if English fans had gone to Edinburgh or Glascow. But they didn't.

The Welsh went to Azerbaijan. The English went to Portugal.

Nobody started threads about how Mark Drakeford / Boris Johnson should have told them not to.

Quite simply in newer to the thread title question. ..she did.

Why?

It seems perfectly clear.

The OP asked a question.

I think you are being a bit obtuse Call

Yes, she did and they still went despite having no tickets.

^the same would be said if English fans had gone to Edinburgh or Glascow.^But they didn't.

This is not about 'Scottish' fans going in droves against rules and advice, and the same would be said if English fans had gone to Edinburgh or Glascow.

I re-read the OP again twice and still came to the same conclusion: that was exactly what it was about

Should Nicola Sturgeon have discouraged Scottish Football fans without tickets from travelling to London?

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Alegrias1

..and yet NS did what people say she should have and Johnson didn't.

If I was a suspicious person, I'd think that some people want to blame NS for the wrongdoing of anybody in Scotland

No different to those on GN who blame the PM for all and sundry…

It is totally fair to blame the pm for things that he lied about, and got absolutely wrong all of his own accord and to favour his friends and ERG, etc.

Nicola Sturgeon could not stop them from going if they were hell bent on going against rules and her advice.

This is not about 'Scottish' fans going in droves against rules and advice, and the same would be said if English fans had gone to Edinburgh or Glascow.

Remember Bill Shankley’s famous quote when asked if football was a matter of life and death when he replied “It’s more than that!” Footie fans are fanatical.

Billy Gilmour tested positive, if one child in a school bubble tests positive the whole bubble has to isolate, regardless?

I guess it really is one rule for some…

Casdon I love football, but in times of Covid restrictions fans from any teams should not travel.

How would it be if all the GN posters with family overseas suddenly decided sod it we are off on a plane to see our loved ones…

I can just imagine the posts…

Surely we all know that if this match had been in Scotland, the English fans would have gone up there? It’s not Nicola Sturgeon’s fault.

I also can’t see the difference between Scottish fans travelling to London, and English fans from other parts of England doing exactly the same either, both are equally likely to spread Covid - or not. Am I missing something important?

And now Billy Gilmour has tested positive so no matches for him for a while.

Well obviously its some people thinking they can bend the rules, or maybe not thinking at all. Maybe seeing all those leaders and their teams on the beach at Cornwall had an impact on that. Or the news that a few thousand people will be allowed into the country for the footie at Wembley without any quarantine.

You are always going to find people who will break rules and do as they wish. NS asked people not to go. They went. Hardly her fault.

Alegrias1

Haven't seen a lot of people blaming him for the crowds on the beaches last year. Or the demos. Or the revellers at Stonehenge. Or the people flying up to Glasgow for a holiday when it was in lockdown.

Quite different, I'd say.

So either it’s the general population not giving a flying pig regarding Covid restrictions or it’s the PM and the devolved Nations First Ministers fault for not enforcing them.

As The First Minister was able to stop the general population of Scotland, particularly Glasgow from straying outside their postcode, maybe, just maybe football fans (of all nations) think they are above the law?

Haven't seen a lot of people blaming him for the crowds on the beaches last year. Or the demos. Or the revellers at Stonehenge. Or the people flying up to Glasgow for a holiday when it was in lockdown.

Quite different, I'd say.