Kemi Badenoch says UK is best place in the world to be black

From Wiki:

As of December 2013 there were approximately 1,000,000 people (about 30 percent of the population) with an immigrant background living in Berlin, with significant differences in their distribution. The immigrant community is diverse, with Middle Easterners (including [[Turkish and Kurdish people and Arabs), smaller numbers of East Asians, Sub-Saharan Africans and other European immigrants, Eastern Europeans forming the largest groups.[17][18] Since the accession of Romania and Bulgaria to the European Union there has been a Romani influx. About 70,000 Afro-Germans live in Berlin.

"There are more than 25 non-indigenous communities with a population of at least 10,000 people, including Turkish, Kurdish,Polish, Russian, Croatian, Palestinian, Serbian, Italian, Bosnian, Vietnamese, American, Romanian, Bulgarian, Chinese, Austrian, Ghanaian, Ukrainian, French, British, Spanish, Israeli, Thai, Iranian, Egyptian and Syrian communities."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Berlin

maddyone

Interestingly on my last visit to Berlin I noted that there was barely a black/brown face to be seen. I found it very puzzling, especially as this was post 2015. To be honest it disturbed me. Where are Germany’s ethnic minorities? It would be normal to expect to see some integration, in my opinion.

I find that really puzzling because Berlin has a huge Turkish-heritage population.

Lin52 that is a sweeping statement. I've pointed out before that we have lived in different parts of the UK and found a huge difference. Moving to the South West was more like moving back to the 50s according to my husband.

Your DBIL might have lived in a different part of UK and a different part of Germany and found the opposite. I don't know about Germany but I do know about UK.

Germany,more racist than UK, that from my West African born DBIL.

I would not challenge these academic findings, Most black people in the UK are disadvantaged because of their ethnicity.

However there are exceptions - black people who have advantage because of their wealth or the wealth and good connections of their parents.

People like Kemi Badenoch have less in common with the average black person in the UK than they have with their fellow wealthy and privileged Conservatives.

vegansrock

There is still disadvantage for black people in the U.K., it’s not an even playing field as some like to believe.

Assuming that there is sufficient evidence to challenge academic findings on the subject, I think that these false facts are just that.

There is still disadvantage for black people in the U.K., it’s not an even playing field as some like to believe.

Unless you are black and have lived in every country of the world you can’t show evidence for this fatuous statement.
There were a couple of black players in the German football team btw.

maddyone

Interestingly on my last visit to Berlin I noted that there was barely a black/brown face to be seen. I found it very puzzling, especially as this was post 2015. To be honest it disturbed me. Where are Germany’s ethnic minorities? It would be normal to expect to see some integration, in my opinion.

It has a lot to do with a country’s history, contrary to what some would have you believe.

.....more Tory bashing eh? And this has what exactly to do with
Being successful in the UK if black?

‘Kemi Badenoch violated me, assaulted the free press and still refuses to apologise’ - Nadine White

Still grieving the loss of her sister to Covid, journalist Nadine White was doing her job when she asked the equalities minister a question. She never expected to be publicly shamed by the MP.

As Labour calls for an investigation into Badenoch's behaviour, White says what happened to her sets a dangerous precedent, threatening the role of a free press

www.standard.co.uk/insider/kemi-badenoch-nadine-white-twitter-investigation-free-press-b918747.html

One of our AC lived in Germany for six years, it is remarkable white .

The only BAME faces we saw were on either the USA or British Military Bases.

I like to think I have all those attributes in your last sentence, and up till I spent a month in Kenya, often my DH, AC and wife were the only white folks in a shop, restaurant and even a small hotel I would have discussed at length this topic.

Having now been in a position of being a minority my mindset has changed. It is impossible to know how a BAME person feels inside. We might think we do as we listen/read/absorb information on racism but it’s certainly not the same as living somewhere knowing you are in the minority and that some (ignorant) folks look down on you.

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maddyone

Interestingly on my last visit to Berlin I noted that there was barely a black/brown face to be seen. I found it very puzzling, especially as this was post 2015. To be honest it disturbed me. Where are Germany’s ethnic minorities? It would be normal to expect to see some integration, in my opinion.

Post war Germany hasn't had the integration in its society that we have experienced here.
There immigrant workers didn't have many rights for years.

GrannyGravy13

As a white female it is not for me to say if a black females views on racism in the U.K. are right or wrong.

Follow this thinking to its logical conclusion, and no one can have any thoughts or ideas about anything that isnt within the sphere of their physical being.
What happened to empathy, imagination, discussion, experience?

Interestingly on my last visit to Berlin I noted that there was barely a black/brown face to be seen. I found it very puzzling, especially as this was post 2015. To be honest it disturbed me. Where are Germany’s ethnic minorities? It would be normal to expect to see some integration, in my opinion.

Rosie51

Antonia I expect you're right about rural areas being very different to cities, our friend lived in cities, the worst he said was Paris.

It varies by area in the UK as well. We used to live in a big multi cultural city and rarely had an issue, although DH says it was bad in the 50s and 60s. We moved to a very white area on the coast, we never thought about it as discrimination wasn't a big issue for us.

We had a terrible time being accepted, it has taken over 20 years for neighbours to speak to us, kids got called names at school. One "funny" incident was being in a supermarket the day the brexit result came out. DH sitting in the coffee shop, he is disabled and needed to sit down while I finished shopping. I went to join him and queued to get us a drink, lady in front of me turned round and said, "Isn't it wonderful, we'll get rid of all the immigrants now." I pointed to my husband and said, "See that brown man, he's my husband." She was most indignant which didn't improve when I laughed at her.

74% of children held in London prisons awaiting trial are black, LBC investigation finds.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/74-of-children-held-in-london-prisons-are-black-lbc-investigation-finds/

Somebody better pop in to see these children and tell them to pull their socks up.

Doodledog Statements like this should only be made by people who have lived in every country in the world, and preferably by people who have experienced being rich, poor, male, female, sick, well and every other combination of circumstances that add up to 'being black

Otherwise, how can she possibly know?

I doubt you’d make that statement if it was the other way around. As there are very few, if any, people who have lived in every country in the world and experienced being all you mention then by your reasoning nobody is qualified to offer an opinion on racism and other attitudes in other countries. Strangely, I don’t think you’d have a problem if she was bringing this country down!

lemongrove

Unfortunately, on this thread, what we are seeing now is anti-
Conservative rhetoric, which isn’t the point of it at all.
Bringing in political prejudice and doing a hatchet job on this black female MP has nothing to do with being black and succeeding in life in the UK.

Totally agree lemongrove anti-conservatism is rife on GN.

Using it to distract from an important issue is unnecessary and insulting to those who are from the BAME community.

NotSpaghetti

Apparently no European-wide data is available on how many people are discriminated against because of their racial or ethnic origin.
The UK is the only country to collect equality data on ethnic minorities.
This means that it's hard to do any kind of meaningful comparison across Europe, let alone the world.

I was quite shocked to discover that too!
There is some movement starting up in Germany amongst black people of African origin to do there own equality data, they say being black there is like being invisible.Other European countries are much the same.

Unfortunately, on this thread, what we are seeing now is anti-
Conservative rhetoric, which isn’t the point of it at all.
Bringing in political prejudice and doing a hatchet job on this black female MP has nothing to do with being black and succeeding in life in the UK.

Baggs

^how can she possibly know?^

She is stating an opinion based on her own experience, just as other people do.

Do people think relative wealth/poverty influence this kind of opinion?

But it wasn't her experience at all. It's what she's claiming now because it suits the culture wars narrative.

valdali You're right. It's a headline grabber. She hasn't always said that her experience has been positive - quite the reverse, but she realised that wouldn't go down well with her adopted political party.