Is the England football team killing this government’s cynical culture war

lemongrove

Got to hand it to you ww....you never give up on the anti-Conservative rhetoric, even working it into a thread ostensibly about praising English football. Reminds me of the Duracell bunny...?

wow, how rude and unpleasant- and very personal insult. I hand it to you now lemon, you never give up on your anti-remainer rhetoric, ever.

JaneJudge

I am fed up of woke being used as some sort of insult too, I remember a few years ago 'liberals' being used in the same way too.

Agreed. On GN the insult of choice is 'leftie' I find. I have always wondered about the mindset of people who consider liberal an insult

I am fed up of woke being used as some sort of insult too, I remember a few years ago 'liberals' being used in the same way too.

Indeed. I heard someone describing a sports person as “coloured.. oh no sorry man of colour or whatever you’re supposed to call them nowadays”. Them !!!! I was so gobsmacked I couldn’t work out what to say and left

I think, when someone describes an action taken up by black people after the murder of a black person, by a police officer, and repeated by people all over the world, to show solidarity, as "posturing" you realise hidden racism is still there.

I think most are people just fed up with the posturing.

25Avalon

Plenty of people in this country are anti BLM and take a knee but are not racist. Why should football fans be any different? Let’s amend to freedom of expression then. Same difference.

So do you think none of the booers are racist? Or is it just possible that the booing is a way to express racist opinions without being called to account?

Varian
Not just the right wing

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9569989/Tony-Blair-warns-Labour-destroyed-woke-Left.html

Plenty of people in this country are anti BLM and take a knee but are not racist. Why should football fans be any different? Let’s amend to freedom of expression then. Same difference.

In real life I have never heard anyone use the expression "woke" or "wokeness". It seems to me to be just a derogatory term coined and endlessly repeated by the right-wing media to ridicule the notion of treating others as you would like to be treated.

This nasty cliche seems to have taken over from their previous favourite "political correctness gone mad".

Lemongrove “ and I applaud the team for doing it to show all the other teams and followers that they want to kick out racism”
Good to hear you say that. I agree.

(By the way The amount of anti American prejudice on GN is astonishing. )

Does booing count as speech?

Well I never.

I am a supporter of free speech. Some fans and some black players incidentally do not approve of taking the knee and have every right to show that disapproval.

As you are such an entusiastic supporter of KickIt Out perhaps you should follow their advice then 25Avalon

KICK IT OUT AND FSA CALL ON ENGLAND FANS TO APPLAUD PLAYERS TAKING THE KNEE

Kick It Out, English football’s equality and inclusion organisation, and the Football Supporters’ Association (FSA), the representative body for football supporters in England and Wales, are calling on England fans to stop the boos, support the team and applaud players taking the knee.
www.kickitout.org

Kick it Out is funded by The Premier League, the PFA, the FA and now Sky are giving a massive donation. It is against racism and discrimination. It’s about on and off the pitch, education, diversity as part of the anti racism and discrimination drive. Fans are also involved. Fans can apply for diversity funding to organise events. Fans will also know how to report any discrimination or racism in the crowd. Most fans are in favour of this and the respect campaign. The days of stadia full of fascist and racists are coming to an end but there will sadly also be some.

If a player is abusive they can be fined and suspended by the FA plus any action their club takes on top of that.

As it is clubs are also actively involved. At grassroots level as club Secretary if I hear abuse towards the referee, the coaching staff or players that person will be asked to leave the ground and possibly be reported to the County FA as part of the Respect campaign. The club can also be charged. It is in our Club programme that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.

I don’t think there should be politics in football fullstop. How else are fans supposed to show they don’t approve of this political symbolism? They have a right to free expression too. We are NOT talking about monkey noises which is a separate issue and is indeed racist.

25Avalon so you think booing is an appropriate way to show you don't like something? And that policies should be influenced by the loudest and noisiest of fans? Perhaps those who made monkey noises should have had some influence then?
Isn't that the exact reason there are campaigns- Show Racism the Red Card and Kick it Out, although Kick it Out has little to do with fans and is funded by the PFA and the FA and has been criticised for not actually dealing with racist abuse by players.

Trisher I am not the one who doesn’t get it. Fans don’t like taking the knee as it is a political gesture not because they are in favour of racism. We have our own anti racist movement in football called Kick it Out which also supports LGBTQ

Fans have already influenced what happens in football. That’s why the 6 Premier Clubs wanting to form a European Super League had to back down and indeed apologise.

If opposing racism and seeking to stamp it out is a political movement then I’m up for it, frankly. Why would anybody be against that?

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a "Woke" movement, in the sense of something you can join. But the term seems to have come, over the years, from "Awake". If the thought of being thought "Woke" upsets you, you can always stay asleep.

Why have so many of you diverted from the OP and resorted to attacks on taking the knee? For heaven's sake there is a lot more to think about than that. If the England footballers want to do it, let them. If you don't like it, ignore it or close your eyes at t eh beginning of each match where England is playing.

Maybe the post was referring to Harry Kane?

And Megan Rapinoe? She's a footballer.

25Avalon

Trisher fans are booing taking the knee as it is the imported emblem of a political Marxist party. They are not booing the players.

Yes players and LGBTQ people have suffered abuse but A lot has been achieved through the FA’s own inclusive Kick it Out campaign. A Spurs fan was banned by the Club for throwing a banana skin at a black player. We don’t need political movements which are, in fact supposed to be banned in football. Football is not supposed to be political. That makes the heading to this thread very ironic doesn’t it? The poster evidently is very anti the government. It has no place in sport.

The point is Avalon25 (you really don't get it do you) that if the fans had been allowed to excercise any influence over anything that happens on the field not only would you be witnessing a very different team and game, you would also be living in a very different and very racist country.Which is why booing Taking the Knee has to be ignored.

So can I boo when people bow to the Royal family as that is a submissive gesture.

timetogo2016

Could not agree with you more Sparkling.
Fabulous and accurate.

Apart from completely missing the irony of course. Or blaming Harry and Meghan for the Woke movement. Apart from that, fabulous