Criminalisation of refugees

Ah, no, Maddy I think we will be trying to (basically) buy camps in Rwanda to "put" these poor people. I understand we are seeking a "partner" to house people we want "out of the way" whilst "processing".

I read a few months ago that we were looking all over the world for this "service".

(This is peppered with inverted commas because I feel so cross and sad about the dehumanization of it all. Apologies.)

Camps! OMG!

This is all completely abhorrent is it even legal ?

The Law society say they think it's not legal JaneJudge ... but why would that matter to us?

NotSpaghetti

The Law society say they think it's not legal JaneJudge ... but why would that matter to us?

Or, what does it matter to the government?

It has frequently demonstrated that they have complete disregard for legality.

"Kindertransport children like me were given hope by this country. Today's government would slam the door.

We are better than this.

Kindertransport children were given hope by this country.

Priti Patel would slam the door in their...
The Home Office’s immigration policies don’t work and leave refugees and asylum seekers stuck for years in a broken system"

Lord Alf Dubbs

twitter.com/alfdubs?lang=en

Let’s hope this plan works as a deterrent then to those increasing numbers of immigrants who fancy slipping in here illegally.

Until the business model of the people smugglers is broken, the UK will continue to be a target, despite the fact that the migrants have travelled through several safe European countries before they get here.

Australia managed to solve a similar problem a few years back.
Despite endless promises, why can’t we?

Didn’t Australia put the migrants offshore on an island?
The majority of these people are trying to escape dreadful regimes and war zones. Where has the compassion gone? Try and put yourself in the position of many women in these countries seeing their sons and husbands needing to flee to escape torture and death.
Many of these people have a good education and speak English which is why they wish to get to Britain. Colonial Britain wanted all their colonies to speak English and now don’t like it when they want to get to U.K. France does accept any refugees as do other European states - Britain accepts the least.

In many cases refugees and no doubt some migrants are driven by strife in their homeland. The UK deals heavily in the arms trade. It has not a moral leg to stand on.

The Calais problem is an obvious consequence of Britain leaving the UK. On what right do we expect help and co-operation from France?

Thank you for all the answers to this thread, its good to see that so many people agreed with me that this is unconscionable. I hope there will be more comments.

I don't know where you get your information JE but Australia haven't solved any problems at all, their policy of detaining people in offshore camps has been a disaster. People still try to come and the ones who they inter (my word) suffer terrible hardship and mental problems.

The people smugglers aren't the problem, although it often suits people to think that. If they weren't there, desperate people would find other ways of getting here.

I am sure that many people would do the same thing as the refugees/immigrants. I know I would, if my family was threatened. Why is it that no-one seems to want them?

I. keep pushing for people to read this book, it’s an eye opener.. the New Odyssey by Patrick Kingsley. This is unique achievement speeding insight, understanding and a wake up call for the rest of us who sleep easy in our beds at night...Jon Snow. But I will be surprised if any of the Boris babes who support PP will change their mind, but you never know they might be able to dig out just an ounce of compassion.

Let’s hope this plan works as a deterrent then to those increasing numbers of immigrants who fancy slipping in here illegally.

You have absolutely no idea which of these people are genuine asylum seekers or which are trying it on. Neither does the Home Office until they have been properly, and humanely, processed.

Apparently, the Bill seeks to criminalise anyone who helps them while at sea. This would include the RNLI, which has a duty under marine law to help anyone in trouble at sea...

This is their take on it:

twitter.com/RNLI/status/1412029006686400514

I recall the previous round of "no aid at sea" policies in the Mediterranean came to a sudden end when dead toddlers started washing up on beaches, and Greek fishermen refused to watch kids drown in front of them.

These are real people. Anyone making policy has to remember that when they talk about 'hostile environments' and 'deterrence policies'. There is a cost in real human lives to this policy and any government wishing to implement it needs to be clear how many dead toddlers are acceptable as the cost of that policy.

I'm afraid to say I would not, if I was on a jury, vote to convict anyone who pulled drowning kids from the sea. It's easy to make these laws at a distance and very difficult to stand there and watch someone die.

Can anyone who is keen to bring more people into the country please explain how a country as small as the UK with 66.6 million people here already is supposed to keep taking in anyone who wants to come here from hundreds of different countries all over the world. How does that work then?

Presumably Patel’s parents were economic migrants then?

The Refugee Convention is very clear in that governments must not impose penalties on asylum seekers, however they arrive, providing they “show good cause”.

This means that “why”, they are coming is the important thing - not “how” they come.

Chestnut

Can anyone who is keen to bring more people into the country please explain how a country as small as the UK with 66.6 million people here already is supposed to keep taking in anyone who wants to come here from hundreds of different countries all over the world. How does that work then?

Can YOU tell me WHO is wanting to bring more people into the country?

I, and I suspect most others, am happy to share my country with anyone fleeing torture and violence or who is persecuted in their own.

The numbers of people coming as asylum seekers to this country is microscopic when compared to almost anywhere else in Europe. If we cannot support these tiny numbers till they get back on their feet again, we are certainly well and truly broken.

JenniferEccles and others - here’s a link to an article about how Australia “solved” the problem and why we should not be replicating their methods:

apple.news/AVfv9XuMLTh2Yjb_CEuKbPw

There seems to be a perception that the UK takes in more immigrants than other countries. Perhaps that's what we want to believe.

These 10 countries receive the most refugees
Lebanon – 19.5 per cent of the total population. ...
Jordan – 10.5 per cent. ...
Nauru – 5.9 per cent. ...
Turkey – 5.0 per cent. ...
Liberia – 4.1 per cent. ...
Uganda – 3.7 per cent. ...
Malta – 2.7 per cent. ...
Sudan – 2.6 per cent.

NotSpaghetti

Chestnut

Can anyone who is keen to bring more people into the country please explain how a country as small as the UK with 66.6 million people here already is supposed to keep taking in anyone who wants to come here from hundreds of different countries all over the world. How does that work then?

Can YOU tell me WHO is wanting to bring more people into the country?

I, and I suspect most others, am happy to share my country with anyone fleeing torture and violence or who is persecuted in their own.

The numbers of people coming as asylum seekers to this country is microscopic when compared to almost anywhere else in Europe. If we cannot support these tiny numbers till they get back on their feet again, we are certainly well and truly broken.

I doubt anyone has a problem with supporting 'tiny numbers' who genuinely need protection until they get back on their feet. But as we know there are many thousands attempting to enter one way or another all the time, not all vulnerable people needing protection. They travel across borders from every country imaginable determined to enter the UK. This goes on endlessly. Your comment is very idealistic and does not take account of the bigger picture.

MaizieD

Lin52

growstuff

Neither refugees nor migrants are necessarily in the UK illegally. I'm not sure what the difference is anyway.

Refugees cannot return home, migrants can. Our first priority should be to genuine refugees and not economic migrants, this is where the problem is, economic migrants who cannot apply legally, jumping in with genuine refugees.

So you treat them all like vermin as a deterrent? Just in case a few non refugees (who can be legally identified and deported) slip into the country?

I sometimes wonder how far posters would go in that experiment where participants thought they were administering electric shocks to a person.

Did I say that. Get off your high horse.

Greta

There seems to be a perception that the UK takes in more immigrants than other countries. Perhaps that's what we want to believe.

Maybe it seems that way because we already have 66.6 million and are a very small country!