Criminalisation of refugees

Chestnut
An estimated 388,000 foreign-born people living in the UK in 2019 originally came to the UK to seek asylum, according to Migration Observatory analysis of the Labour Force Survey. This is equivalent to 0.6% of the UK’s total 2019 resident population of around 67 million. Of these, 56% had lived in the UK for sixteen years or more.

We are not being swamped!

winterwhite

The Calais problem is an obvious consequence of Britain leaving the UK. On what right do we expect help and co-operation from France?

All the money we pay to them for a start. Perhaps we should stop financing France who turn a blind eye, or at least don’t do much to stop the smugglers, and use the money towards improved facilities for those who feel France is dangerous and risk their lives, and those of their families to come here.

Apparently we have half the numbers of people seeking asylum now than we had 20 years ago.
Each is a person with hopes fears dreams and if we were in that situation either due to safety or economic problems we would probably be doing the same,
The reason they want to come here is that we are regarded as a fair and decent country, whether that’s correct is another thing. Many speak English already so assume it would be easier to live here.
It takes courage to leave everything you know taking only a few possessions with you and has a story, as we do.

Given that so much of the rhetoric against refugees/migrants is just made up, there's no point in trying to argue.

Sent them all up here to Scotland, we need more people and they'll help pay my pension when the time comes. I like this story:

www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/long-days-but-peace-at-last-the-syrians-observing-ramadan-on-a-remote-scottish-island-1.860244

And that’s the ones we know about Chestnut
It’s thought the true figure is nearer 70 million.

The majority of those attempting illegal entry by boat are, as we have seen, young males, including those who ludicrously try to claim they are children.

However you dress it up, we are an overcrowded country.

Priti Patel has to come up with a solution. Whether this is it, remains to be seen.

including those who ludicrously try to claim they are children.

Like this young male?

news.sky.com/story/toddlers-body-that-washed-up-in-norway-is-boy-who-drowned-during-migrant-channel-crossing-12327158

Alegrias1

^including those who ludicrously try to claim they are children.^

Like this young male?

news.sky.com/story/toddlers-body-that-washed-up-in-norway-is-boy-who-drowned-during-migrant-channel-crossing-12327158

No, like this one.

I did a reverse image check. Daily Mail, what a surprise.

This is what they said about this person:

An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill.

That seems to explain that one Alegrias - thank you.

Alegrias1 Given that so much of the rhetoric against refugees/migrants is just made up, there's no point in trying to argue.
Nothing is made up, that's wishful thinking on your part.
Like for instance, there are 18,400 foreign national offenders living in the UK. 9,000 are in prison and the other 9,400 living amongst the public. Those living amongst us has more than doubled since 2012. That's not made up.
No-one is against helping vulnerable people but this is the price that has to be paid.

Alegrias1

I did a reverse image check. Daily Mail, what a surprise.

This is what they said about this person:

^An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill.^

Not a child then.

Where is the info, Chestnut, that the 18,400 foreign nationals here have been granted asylum?

This is not a statistic of any relevance I’m afraid. It is a statistic about offenders.

Chestnut

Alegrias1

I did a reverse image check. Daily Mail, what a surprise.

This is what they said about this person:

^An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill.^

Not a child then.

He claimed he was 16 when he left.
Obviously not a child now!

Chestnut

Alegrias1 Given that so much of the rhetoric against refugees/migrants is just made up, there's no point in trying to argue.
Nothing is made up, that's wishful thinking on your part.
Like for instance, there are 18,400 foreign national offenders living in the UK. 9,000 are in prison and the other 9,400 living amongst the public. Those living amongst us has more than doubled since 2012. That's not made up.
No-one is against helping vulnerable people but this is the price that has to be paid.

You know, Google is a great resource, isn't it? You can just put things into the search box and whatever you need comes up. So I did that. All these numbers are quotes from Migration Watch, aren't they? Who feel it necessary to devote a whole page of their website to debunking migration bogus arguments. Except they're not bogus arguments, they are only uncomfortable truths for the people who don't want to hear them

What Migration Watch admits about the 9,000 in prison: This includes a currently unknown number who are on remand, non-criminals, recalls and fine defaulters, but including those as time served in either prison or immigration removal centres.

They don't give a link about the 9,400 (why not, I wonder?) but we know who they are, presumably, because we've been able to count them. So they can't be that dangerous or we'd bang them up, wouldn't we?

NotSpaghetti

Chestnut

Alegrias1

I did a reverse image check. Daily Mail, what a surprise.

This is what they said about this person:

^An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill.^

Not a child then.

He claimed he was 16 when he left.
Obviously not a child now!

And in Sweden.

Always has been

The majority of those attempting illegal entry by boat are, as we have seen, young males, including those who ludicrously try to claim they are children.

From Full Fact:

Although it’s certainly true that crossing the Channel without authorisation isn’t a legal way to enter the UK, Article 31 of the UN Refugee Convention states that refugees cannot be penalised for entering the country illegally to claim asylum if they are “coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened” provided they “present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence”.

A lot depends here on how to interpret which country people are “coming directly from”. It could be argued, for instance, that as the people crossing the channel are coming directly from France—which is not the country they initially fled—they don’t have the right to claim asylum in the UK.

However, in 1999 a UK judge ruled that “some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum.” The judge specified that “any merely short term stopover en route” to another country should not forfeit the individual’s right to claim refugee status elsewhere.

This means people who enter the UK by illegal means can legitimately make a claim for asylum, even after passing through other “safe” countries, provided they do so directly after arriving.

fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/

Some statistics on the number of those who claim to be children and turn out not to be, would be helpful. But I'd be surprised if the Home Office keeps any meaningful statistics...

Alegrias1

NotSpaghetti

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Alegrias1

I did a reverse image check. Daily Mail, what a surprise.

This is what they said about this person:

^An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill.^

Not a child then.

He claimed he was 16 when he left.
Obviously not a child now!

And in Sweden.

Always has been

What? The lad that is being held up as an example of a fraudulent 'child' isn't even in the UK?

It's a bit like scraping the bottom of the barrel to do that, isn't it?

This whole frightening descent into intolerance and sheer nastiness is regrettably what a lot of people seem to have voted for, including quite a few on here it would seem. Ms Patel is beyond my comprehension, if she had been in charge 20 odd years ago, the parents of half the much applauded English football team would have been refused entry and residence. Seeing her post on twitter is nauseating Football's coming home!, yeah right, although quite a few have replied if it does, you'll deport it.

I went to have a look at her Twitter GillT57 (might need a shower now). The comments are fab!

But she actually posted this: Access to the UK’s asylum system should be based on need, not the ability to pay people smugglers.

Its like they are trying to see how far they can go.

Its like they are trying to see how far they can go.

That happens a lot.

GillT57

This whole frightening descent into intolerance and sheer nastiness is regrettably what a lot of people seem to have voted for, including quite a few on here it would seem. Ms Patel is beyond my comprehension, if she had been in charge 20 odd years ago, the parents of half the much applauded English football team would have been refused entry and residence. Seeing her post on twitter is nauseating Football's coming home!, yeah right, although quite a few have replied if it does, you'll deport it.

If she had been in charge fifty years ago her own parents would never have been allowed to come to the UK.

NotSpaghetti

Where is the info, Chestnut, that the 18,400 foreign nationals here have been granted asylum?

This is not a statistic of any relevance I’m afraid. It is a statistic about offenders.

Well they're here aren't they? I can't see them being deported in those numbers. And these are not vulnerable people needing help. Of those in prison about a third were convicted of violent or sexual offences, about a fifth for drug charges, and others for burglary, fraud, robbery and other serious crimes.

How ludicrous! I'm sorry, this is nothing to do with asylum seekers Chestnut

It would appear that Ms Patel's parents would classify as economic migrants and would have been turned away. You know, we just can't have all these people coming here, making successful lives for themselves, educating their children, paying taxes, what a cheek.

NotSpaghetti

How ludicrous! I'm sorry, this is nothing to do with asylum seekers Chestnut

How do you know how many are not asylum seekers? They have been allowed to enter the country and are still here.