Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

Kali2

Thank you PippaZ, exactly that.

And yes Frenchie, the whole world is looking at that is happening in the UK and shaking its head in disbelief, about the UK situation and people as a whole, whether Lemon and others believe it, or not- makes little difference.

I'm interested how you appear to be conversant with the opinions of *the whole world* Kali2, gleaned from one item of the business section of an American news channel, owned by Warner Media, which has been the subject of many allegations of bias.

Oh, you don’t like Boris then??

DiscoDancer1975

lemongrove

I happen to think your attacks on the UK are sick and wrong, so there we are.You start thread after thread after thread all designed to denigrate the nation, and have done so for years.
Whilst claiming to love the UK....and living in France.
The rules allow it, but expect posters to get very tired of it.

PippwZ. I thought this quote says it all about the OP. I don’t know her personally. You however....seem preoccupied with straw men, whoever they are. You’re also not a very pleasant poster.

I know what Kali2 was asking, and my imagination isn’t that good. No one’s going to change their minds, and people won’t turn away from us.

I was just highlighting the fact that all these discussions attract nasty, patronising responses, unless you agree with them.

Of course, you thought that post reflects your views of the OP. It makes the type of comments Johnson wants everyone to believe.

That post suggests that the OP is making "attacks" on the UK - not true. It encourages the poor reader to believe that no one is allowed to post about the UK if they happen to be living abroad - not true. Just how obscene is it to suggest someone currently travelling or living abroad is an outsider, an "other".

You say You are not a pleasant poster. I get it - I don't share the views of those who support Johnson and his "culture war" team. I don't share the views of those who support Johnson in his lies. I don't share the views of those who support Johnson and his deliberate administration of pain to groups of "othered" people.

I don't and I wouldn't have agreed with anyone who supported the Sado-populists of the past or currently in other countries. They simply seek to promote division and hate and those who support them aid them in this goal but none of that makes me an unpleasant poster, just one who will do anything to bring the truth about Johnson and the New Tories out into the open.

Those of us carrying British passports will always care about Britain and its standing in the world wherever we are currently living. We all have memories and most of us families still living in Britain. We are entitled to have opinions as many of us emigrants still pay taxes in Britain.

There’s certainly xenophobia going on.....about the UK.

Kali2 if you live in France please respond to my post regarding current events where you live. Is this Macron chap as good or bad than Boris? Do you think he would 'trust' Boris, if it was in his France's interest?

There's some suspected racism going on in another thread. I guess here it's just xenophobia and bullying. ?

I have not denigrated the UK, at all- and I have explained why is truly matters to me and many others. I have denigrated, and called out, this Prime Minister and his Governement, who are causing so much damage to our reputation as a great country. There is a massive difference

But you live elsewhere?

Deja vu......

Not at all- some highjacked the threat for their own purpose, and I merely responded as it was clear most had not intention of discussing the issue of trust.

I have not denigrated the UK, at all- and I have explained why is truly matters to me and many others. I have denigrated, and called out, this Prime Minister and his Governement, who are causing so much damage to our reputation as a great country. There is a massive difference.

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And totally wrong and irrelevant suppositions too.

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You are talking very long-term here. Personally I was thinking of a situation in 2 years time- after next election. I truly believe that only a totally new Government, who has not been involved in the present debacle, would have any chance. and it would have to be shown that a strong majority would be in favour, at least 65%- none of this namby pamby 52/48 (as Farage always said).

I think a Norway style option is the most likely to succeed.

It does seem as the UK's decision and increasing demise (and we ain't seen nothing yet as the full conditions have not yet been implemented re exports, etc)- has reall strengthened the EU, totally contrary to what was expected by many.

I note that despite my links that could take people to some actual facts many of you haven't bothered to look. It's about time some of you did a bit more research. But no, you prefer to stick with some garbage that you've picked up.

Two little facts for you. Since 2014 more than 20,000 migrants and refugees have died in the Med. In 2019 alone it was 1,300.

The following figures relate to the Channel crossing

How many people have died crossing the English Channel?
The Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world and subject to strong currents and fast changing weather. Six people are reported to have died and three went missing during 2020, a slight increase on numbers in 2019, when four deaths were recorded on "just 203 crossings and attempted crossings."Jan 12, 2021

So, do you believe those figures or are they made up?

WOULD WE BE TRUSTED?

I'd say so. New generations. New society. We forgive and forget. Move on. Totally different environments.

Will the EU still exist as is? We have no idea.

Exactly Pippa.

DiscoDancer1975

I think Kali2, if you start another thread, you should make it clear, that only people who agree with you should respond.

I for one, am glad we’re out. My granny said in the year we went in, that we never should have. We would spend the next 50 years being at the mercy of people we didn’t vote for, and will never know.

How wise she was.

You just don't read what's written in the OP, do you? We are out; nothing will change that. The OP was not about who wanted in or out. That's old news.

The question (I think this is the third or fourth time it's been clarified) was about how, if we voted a government in next time that we want to take us back in (not real - just a scenario) WOULD WE BE TRUSTED?

Oh and my mother, 96 at the time, voted to stay in the EU. Talking about an individual (still!!!) make not a blind bit of difference.

Nobody is asking you to agree but you are trying to agree with a question that wasn't asked.

We desperately need a Constitutional Commission to redesign our so-called democracy.

varian

I did not vote for Blair. I voted for the Liberal Democrats who opposed the Iraq war.

Is it not time for our country to become a democracy where we can only be governed by a government which has the support of a majority of those who vote in a general election?

I cannot see it happening in the near future, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas

Remind me...who voted for Cummings?

Oh yes. No-one.

And who voted for all those people sitting in the House of Lords?

Oh yes. No-one.

I did not vote for Blair. I voted for the Liberal Democrats who opposed the Iraq war.

Is it not time for our country to become a democracy where we can only be governed by a government which has the support of a majority of those who vote in a general election?

varian

Most of us in the UK are suffering at the mercy of people we didn't vote for.

Totally agree Varian I didn’t vote for Mr.Blair who sent our son to fight an illegal war.

Sometimes our preferred candidate/party wins sometimes it doesn’t.

Most of us in the UK are suffering at the mercy of people we didn't vote for.