Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

I think Kali2, if you start another thread, you should make it clear, that only people who agree with you should respond.

I for one, am glad we’re out. My granny said in the year we went in, that we never should have. We would spend the next 50 years being at the mercy of people we didn’t vote for, and will never know.

How wise she was.

Very very moving, and I kept thinking 'he could be my grandson'

youtu.be/t40ANH4Pe14

Kandinsky

Why are they so desperate if they’re being looked after in France?
I genuinely don’t get why they risk their lives to come here?
They’re already in a safe country.
No one ever seems able to fully explain it.

You do realise that once Johnson has picked out asylum seekers, put them in the closest thing to camps we have and has made sure they were 'othered' as if they were not human beings who have undergone things no human being should, he will need another target.

It looks as if he will aim at the older part of our population next. You may believe you can buy yourself out of being on the list but you will still be in the position of being one of the ones used to make the next group feel better as they lose what they have come to expect.

There will be a Priti Pattel type figure (she may even get "promoted") who, as she has done to the asylum seekers, only talks of the 'old' as a problem, never referring to how the policies affect us. We already know what Johnson thinks of older people.

At the moment you can sit in a nice warm home, well-fed and cared for saying "‘At least we’re not drowning in freezing water because we were daft enough to think we would be welcome here.’" But this will turn on a sixpence. You may well find your NHS and Care Costs are seen as a burden. That you needing them as you get older and being a burden on the rest of the population is all that is talked about rather than good care and a free at the point of need NHS.

Johnson et al have done it before. Why would these New Tories not do it again?

Some of you are beginning (well it has been a while actually) to sound like Johnson at PMQT- just go on the rant and attack, rather than addressing the question in the OP.

25Avalon

Funny how the illegal migrants have so much money to pay the smugglers and also how many of them are “children” who need a shave two days later.

My grandson is 15, just under 6' and has facial hair.

Gwyneth- Dinahmo has given a very comprehensive answer, and I have repeated som of the well-known points made.

You should watch the brilliant French film 'Welcome' - is you had a grandson, you would weep, as I did. It explains the reasons very well.

Things are so much nicer in France...
www.france24.com/en/europe/20210724-french-protesters-against-covid-19-health-restrictions-clash-with-police-in-paris
Do UK police carry guns and use teargas?

I don’t think Syria, Iran or Iraq where I believe many migrants are coming from were ever British colonies. But didn’t France have colonies too? But the point I am trying to make but have almost given up as no one seems to be able to provide an answer is if the UK is such an awful place to live why is anyone wanting to settle here. Personally I like living in the UK and get really fed up of the constant moaning or criticism.

foxie48 gave a good comment. International relationships aren't based on 'trust' more simply what suits each party.

For 'balance' the BBC reported this issue here:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57930799

This reports there was room for further renogatiation in the Brexit deal if the NI protocol is 'unworkable'.

"What do you expect?" To be honest I was expecting a no-deal Brexit. The EU were in an excellent position. They had a Treaty with the UK that we ended - some here might say broke. Taking that point of view it can be interpreted that the UK cannot be trusted. As such they won't let us back in - to answer the OP question. The recent request to re-look at the NI protocol is therefore essentially irrelevent.

Obtaining financial aid in France has always been a (rightly so)
long and hard path. You have to pay in to be paid out, simple
and that goes for any European residing here.
Britain however has always been known for its generosity in
benefits, what refugee would stay in France when the system
works better for them across the channel. Simple
Leaving Europe was never going to stop the immigration process and if those that voted to leave thought it would they were told a lie

You must be very confused Polly, indeed.

The reasons why so many are still coming to UK are very well explained elsewhere, the language, friends and family already here, and yes, the reputation of the UK being open and tolerant still perdures in far away shores.

BTW have you been to Syria lately? Or Afghanistan, or many parts of Africa. You should go and see, if you need some explanation. This has NOTHING to do with this thread, which is about loss of trust and respect for the word of our PM and his Government, and by sad implication, the UK as a whole.

Aren’t most of the illegal immigrants coming from former British colonies?
The sins of the fathers??

25Avalon

The vaccine wouldn’t be here and rolled out if it wasn’t for UK. EU were way behind.

We could have done exactly the same things we did anyway, even if we had not left the EU. Believing otherwise is one of the bits of disinformation that the Brexit-supporting government would like you to buy into.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2021/02/why-eu-s-vaccine-disaster-doesn-t-prove-brexit-was-right

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730

fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/

But - I’m confused - I didn’t think you lived in the UK, Kali2?

25Avalon

Funny how the illegal migrants have so much money to pay the smugglers and also how many of them are “children” who need a shave two days later.

What has this to do with the government being chaotic, liars, incompetent and out to hurt the very people they need to vote for them?

Does it just make people feel better to kick those who are even worse off than they will be under the New Tories?

But you have still avoided answering a genuine question Kali2 . Why would anyone want to come to live in the UK if as you are forecasting there will be no jobs, supermarket shelves will be bare, the NHS on its knees, medicines scarce etc. You’d be totally mad to want to come here. Am just surprised that people in the UK aren’t packing their bags as I type.

The vaccine wouldn’t be here and rolled out if it wasn’t for UK. EU were way behind.

If we ever apply to rejoin the EU, which most British people never wanted to leave, we will be firmly at the back of the queue.

Ellianne

In some ways I would be quite pleased for us to no longer be seen as better than anywhere else, or a beacon to the world, whatever that means. That very much brings its own problems too.

Well yes- but I do think it is something to be really and truly proud of. And very sad and upset to see those qualities being destroyed by the current PM and Government.

Being trusted for your word and honour, is something to be proud of.

I'd say that if you don't care, then you can't be a true patriot and can't really love your country that much.

1 agree Ellianne - Totally insignificant little country that no one cares about or obsesses over - bring it on.

In some ways I would be quite pleased for us to no longer be seen as better than anywhere else, or a beacon to the world, whatever that means. That very much brings its own problems too.

25Avalon

Alegrias1

25Avalon

The vaccine development and roll out in uk.

The Oxford lab suffered a huge gap in funding after the EU money was removed and the roll-out was done by Bingham and the NHS.

Next?

Not quite right. In January 2020 the UK Government gave more than £33million of funding on top of £5million given earlier making it the largest overall source of money. We paid for vaccines before they were reliable and available.

From Adrian Hill, director at the Jenner Institute in Oxford, speaking in July 2020:

More generally across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now—the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now.

So that’s going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it’s not easy.

The lab wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the EU.

Oh I am sure they will when the shelves are bare, their jobs gone, medicines scarce and the NHS on its knees... and more.

Leave those desperate immigrants out of this- it is just so wrong and vile - totally disgusting misuse of their situation.

Why do you think so many HGV drivers, agricultural and building workers, nhs nurses and carers, and so many have gone?

And totally eroded the respect and trust other nations had for the UK

The average person in the Uk couldn’t give a toss tbh, even if it is true.

And totally eroded the respect and trust other nations had for the UK.

So it is actually saying that the reason so many of us feel truly sad and more about this, is because it was so much better than most. I know you won't believe this, but it is the truth.

Why are they so desperate if they’re being looked after in France?
I genuinely don’t get why they risk their lives to come here?
They’re already in a safe country.
No one ever seems able to fully explain it.