So how do we feel about Sajid Javid telling us not to ‘cower’ from Covid

Curiouser and curiouser -
According to Peston - if you catch Covid for a second time, even if your first infection was last year you do not count as a new positive case.

twitter.com/peston/status/1419233632993095689?s=21

That will reduce the numbers Next they’ll miss out the people who catch it after vaccination

FT was reporting on it www.ft.com/content/e79bf9c9-894a-4556-abb8-8ffb350831b9

I know quite a few friends who have been waiting a long tine.

we are north London and our pcr tests were sent to Glasgow! it took days as you would imagine!

Yes I know, but test results for large numbers of PCR tests are missing - presumably because they are caught in a backlog. Need to wait for them to make it though the backlog to find out whether the numbers last week were actually low or just missing.

Nezumi65

When my middle son had Covid last month I posted his postal PCR and it came back within 24 hours.

Last week friends were not receiving results after 5 days. Lateral flow tests were not available from pick up spots. It may be due to sheer numbers or could be because so many laboratory staff were isolating. If you dig into the figures there are a lot of missing PCR test reports (presumably still stuck in the system). Weekends & Mondays always down so latter half of next week may be a better indication.

Later part of last week (Wednesday, Thursday and Friday) positive numbers are considerably down on previous week.

When my middle son had Covid last month I posted his postal PCR and it came back within 24 hours.

Last week friends were not receiving results after 5 days. Lateral flow tests were not available from pick up spots. It may be due to sheer numbers or could be because so many laboratory staff were isolating. If you dig into the figures there are a lot of missing PCR test reports (presumably still stuck in the system). Weekends & Mondays always down so latter half of next week may be a better indication.

People I know are saying they’ve never known so many people with covid till now. So what’s going on? How can infections be going down?

Two different sons obviously

My son has deleted the app because it was pinging him every time he went to work - he had Covid last month so assume it’s unlikely he has it again. He takes lateral flows twice a week.

My son’s support team cannot isolate for pings from the app - we do not have enough staff. They isolate if contacted by track and trace as a known close contact. The obviously puts my son at increased risk
Of transmission but not sure what the other options are. We can’t magic up staff.

(By missing I mean the results have not been reported yet).

Wait and see next week. 25,000 PCR test results are currently missing. I know people who had tests last week seem to be waiting a lot longer than my son had to wait when he had Covid a month ago.

We are in the middle of decent weather now, and schools have broken up so let’s hope the trend continues. Vaccination has got to be better than natural “herd immunity”.
I do wonder however how many have deleted the govt covid app, or are just not testing when ill because they don’t want to isolate.

That is good news. Let's hope the downwards trend continues.

Overall U.K. positive tests are down 19,000 today compared to last Sunday, still going down day on day for the last five days.

Having so many people go down with it at once isn't great for the economy either. Nor is large numbers of people with long covid - especially if they are in the young. We don't know enough yet to know just how big a gamble they're taking.

The point is there’s a huge difference between being sensible (in my view wearing a mask in crowded indoor spaces) and “cowering”. He’s the flipping health secretary for goodness sake so he should know that.

I don’t care if he’s conservative Labour or monster raving loony that was a stupid thing to tweet.
Ok the economy the economy the economy ….yes but still take reasonable care ?

Whatdayisit

FannyCornforth

Yes Galaxy
It’s horrible isn’t it.
Like if you die, it’s because you’re not ‘a fighter’.

I agree. I've seen this a lot with spinal injuries where some who are told they won't walk again but do it's as though they have more determination than those who will never walk because of the state of their spinal cord.

Same with covid some people's bodies have been ravished lucky old javid didn't cower too it. Ridiculous.

Probably helped that Javid leads quite a rich and privileged lifestyle. As with everything else there’s still more danger from it if you’re poor and disadvantaged.

Cummings calls Johnson Trolley for similar reasons. He veers from side to side depending on whoever he is listening to at the particular moment in time. Much as I wouldn't trust Cummings further than I could throw him he is fascinating re Johnson and the pandemic.

OurKid1

Whatdayisit

Agreed, but my point was that we should continue with precautions, while getting on with our lives as best we can, while being careful - not 'cowering.

I assume you mean the government is being idiotic - couldn't agree me. They remind me of someone wielding a supermarket trolley with wonky wheels, with no shopping list and just veering from side to side grabbing whatever they fancy, while the rest of us have to make the best of whatever they get!

That is what so many of us have done all the way through anyway.
I really do nit understand why stopping wearing masks is such a thing to be heralded. And I'm not stopping SD i don't want anyone near me that's not cowering. I don't want covid again or anything else!

Someone has compared Johnson with Inspector Clouseau but, unlike Boris Johnson, Inspector Clouseau usually gets things right in the end.

Sorry should read "couldn't agree MORE" not "me."

Whatdayisit

Agreed, but my point was that we should continue with precautions, while getting on with our lives as best we can, while being careful - not 'cowering.

I assume you mean the government is being idiotic - couldn't agree me. They remind me of someone wielding a supermarket trolley with wonky wheels, with no shopping list and just veering from side to side grabbing whatever they fancy, while the rest of us have to make the best of whatever they get!

OurKid1

"Cower" is probably a poor choice of words, but I agree with his sentiment. We need to do what we can - masks, distancing, hand washing and, most importantly, vaccination, then get on with (albeit a changed and cautious) life.

But this experiment is running the risk of a new variant which will resist the vaccine. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't opened the door to the delta variant. There idiocy for the entire pandemic gives you no confidence.

Although our government has said we don’t need masks, and we don’t need to distance - that presumably would be cowering.

FannyCornforth

Yes Galaxy
It’s horrible isn’t it.
Like if you die, it’s because you’re not ‘a fighter’.

I agree. I've seen this a lot with spinal injuries where some who are told they won't walk again but do it's as though they have more determination than those who will never walk because of the state of their spinal cord.

Same with covid some people's bodies have been ravished lucky old javid didn't cower too it. Ridiculous.