So how do we feel about Sajid Javid telling us not to ‘cower’ from Covid

Nezumi65

Of course it’s not negligible Algerias (PhD in evolution - if I wanted to create a vaccine resistant strain this is exactly what I would do)

Are you implying that some random person is going to create a vaccine resistant strain?

If so it is a dangerous allegation which may frighten some on here.

And ahem Professor Gilbert also warned that easing Covid restrictions too quickly could result in higher transmission and increase the risk of new variants emerging with more resistance to existing vaccines

Which is exactly my point.

Of course it’s not negligible Algerias (PhD in evolution - if I wanted to create a vaccine resistant strain this is exactly what I would do)

Javid comes across as an arrogant man. He talked about opening up when he’d only been in the job minutes, and had had no chance to even look at his brief. No learning from the Government’s previous mistakes in any way. I don’t trust anything they say now.

And as BJ said himself, he would have been the mayor in Jaws to “keep the beaches open”.

Not the best choice of words but a complete over reaction as usual.

Alegrias1 I agree with your sensible posts of 13.14 & 13.21 ??

Why do you keep asking people that?

The risk of that happening is negligible.

Prof Sarah and her team think its highly unlikely, do you understand why?

^ There are people who still think the vaccine is going to be rendered useless by a mega-variant that is going to pop up any day^

And I take it you understand why massively increasing transmission in a partially/imperfectly vaccinated population increases this risk fairly dramatically?

MayBee70

This has just crossed my mind and I probably shouldn’t say it because I haven’t thought it through but I wondered if some people, especially government ministers, who have caught covid but only suffered from it mildly, feel superior in some way? I’m prepared to be shot down for saying/thinking it though.

I think there is an element of that - like the working hard/work harder thing where they don't consider people don't have an equal footing or the same circumstances.

There was someone on Mumsnet last night saying she felt bad but didn't want to call the ambulance because we've been told not to do it unless our lips turn blue. There are people who haven't crossed their doorsteps since a year past March because they are scared of Covid. There are people who are still bleaching their shopping. The information they're working to is over a year out of date. (I'm not talking about anybody posting here.)

There are people who are surprised that they know people who have been double jabbed but still caught COVID. There are people who still think the vaccine is going to be rendered useless by a mega-variant that is going to pop up any day.

As a nation, we have been cowering for 15 months. There will still be people who have to be careful and I'm not minimising the problems they have, but as a nation we are going to need to stop cowering.

'could have been'.

2.2 trillion in debt. Imagine how well looked after everyone in this country had been. Imagine how good the hospitals, schools, infrastructures, economy, poverty a thing of the past. Imagine!! Goodness knows what these things will become like in the future with this colossal debt?! They are all in a bad way now!

This has just crossed my mind and I probably shouldn’t say it because I haven’t thought it through but I wondered if some people, especially government ministers, who have caught covid but only suffered from it mildly, feel superior in some way? I’m prepared to be shot down for saying/thinking it though.

Johnson is run by a certain cabal in the Tory party, who have never supported lockdown. Javid is one of them, as are the right wing press.

Javid was speaking the truth in the opinion of the cabal.

Those who as far as possible were remaining or working at home were acting altruistically in so far as they were supporting the NHS in its efforts to cope with the pandemic, they were not cowering.

The cabal would have never introduced lockdown, leaving the NHS to collapse under the strain and many more deaths.

Lots of people are successfully working 'from home' too

love0c

GrannyGravy Exactly! that is my point!

I am fortunate in that I have not been into our offices since the beginning of March 2020. I popped in yesterday to tie up several loose ends as from the end of July my seat is very definitely at the back apart from any major financial decision.

As a self confessed control freak I will be interested in how I cope with this ???

GrannyGravy13

love0c if it were not for all those folks working throughout, others would not have had the privilege to stay home.

And that’s why I do everything possible to protect those that are still working because I’m in a position where I don’t have to. I mean, the comment came from a health minister who stopped mask wearing being mandatory on buses and in shops (which we’re protecting people working in shops and on buses) who then caught covid himself. If it wasn’t so awful it would be funny.

MayBee70

imo it’s just a case of being proactive instead of reactive. Something that this government has failed to do throughout the pandemic. I don’t regard myself as ‘cowering. Just being proactive. It reminds me of children playing chicken to be honest.

Who is playing chicken?

GrannyGravy Exactly! that is my point!

imo it’s just a case of being proactive instead of reactive. Something that this government has failed to do throughout the pandemic. I don’t regard myself as ‘cowering. Just being proactive. It reminds me of children playing chicken to be honest.

love0c if it were not for all those folks working throughout, others would not have had the privilege to stay home.

The problem is that by completely opening up when transmission is high you remove the choice of sensible precautions for many. You drive people who are at higher risk indoors. You ignore their choices. By using this rhetoric you end up with people abused for wearing masks (as I was early on in the pandemic).

Anyway figures will be interesting in next few weeks. There are loads of ‘missing’ test results at the moment (in the data) which probably explains why friends have been waiting a week for PCR results & why many sites ran out of lateral flow tests.

Nezumi65

Love0c as I said I have offered to spend sept-dec on the wards (knowing the autumn is going to be horrendous).

I take it you are working on the front line given your comment?

Well done - so you will not be cowering.

This is not going away soon so being as sensible as we can be is the right thing to do imo.

Who is ‘cowering’? We are not all at equal risk.

I know many people who have caught it whilst double vaccinated. Depending on your personal risk if you catch it may alter your view of how willing you are to expose yourself to that risk.