RNLI and Farage

DiscoDancer1975

^Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away^

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

This is a very likely scenario if we keep on keeping on, as Holysox seems to be trying to say.

Oh Discodancer, do you know what they would do.

They would go out, in one of their own boats, even though it’s not a fully equipped lifeboat, even though it would put their own lives at risk. They would take out two boats, or three, or four if needed. Because that’s what people who know the sea do.

They don’t play politics with peoples lives. They just save them.

I think the major factor motivating all actions is fear.

It dictates all the things we do and all the things we don't.

It makes it a good tool for those seeking to manipulate.

No worries MoorlandMooner

PippaZ They are falling for whatever false stories the government or whoever else are telling them. "Fear" is not an excuse for turning on people who are not like you. I think we can all recall from history how that ends. Sorry, no sympathy.

Alegrias1 You'd already posted what I just wrote. I missed that earlier. Apologies.

Alegrias1

I've just watched his rant, at least I watched 2 minutes. What on earth was he thinking? And it all comes down to money, in his mind, those poor businessmen on the South Coast who keep being called out to save lives, how must their businesses be suffering?

I can't believe anyone falls for this rubbish, surely. If they do, what kind of people are they?

Too many question marks, I know...

I'm sure much has been said since you posted this Alegrais1 but I am just catching up.

There was a fascinating programme on Radio 4 this morning. People are not falling for anything. They are, the expert said, clutching at anything they can to make them feel less fearful. The more the government - and other governments elsewhere - wind people up and point them at some "other", the more hate we will see - and they will feel just a little less fearful. It takes a bit of clever manouvering of people's fears to get them to turn on the RNLI though.

I have just listened to Farage's 'I have fought bigger and uglier than you people in Poole' broadcast.

Isn't it interested that he says if he was a business man who was volunteering for the RNLI he would give up the RNLI if it meant he was losing money.

Does he really think that RNLI volunteers do a cost benefit analysis and weigh up how much each shout will cost them? He is made of different stuff than the men and women who risk their lives time after time to save anyone in danger and has no concept of the all encompassing nature of their self sacrifice.

Alegrias1

This is the country that Farage and the like have led us to be. Its shameful, and people think its acceptable. That it's even laudable.

Sweet moderation, heart of this nation.
^Desert us not, we are between the wars.^

Farage taps into the the worst bits of mankind and uses it to propagate his own particular brand of evil.

This is the country that Farage and the like have led us to be. Its shameful, and people think its acceptable. That it's even laudable.

Sweet moderation, heart of this nation.
Desert us not, we are between the wars.

I could literally weep at some of these comments, how very disappointing
'who would you save?'
Jeezo

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

The ones most likely to live. Because they are all human.

Let us not forget they are not trying to escape some evil regime. They are coming from France.

They are trying to escape from the evil regime in their own country.

Please do not repeat the nonsense that France is a 'safe country' so that is where they should claim asylum. This is absolutely not true under international law. Asylum can be claimed in any country, irrespective of the countries the asylum seeker has passed through.

Yes it was me tee hee!

Anybody in an inflatable in the English Channel is in danger. Whether they are migrants or someone who who doesn’t understand the sea and dozed off near the beach before being swept away

That’s right peasblossom, so if we just had one boat, which ‘group’ do you save? The ones here legally, or the ones trying to enter illegally?

This is a very likely scenario if we keep on keeping on, as Holysox seems to be trying to say.

I am not saying we shouldn't help people in need. The concern is send one boat to pick up refugees and more come. We send more boats, even more refugees come. We run out of boats to send (RNLI only has a handful of life boats on the South Coast) but now more refugees are willing to risk the crossing and we're pulling bodies out of the water every day.

Let us not forget they are not trying to escape some evil regime. They are coming from France.

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

The train was Avalon in response to liberal0 and then you gave it a thumbs up emoji.

Yes, my apologies to WWM. I think this had made my head spin!

Good grief. These “immigrants” who are binge rescued are human being like us, not an inferior species.

It's interesting how yet again the messenger, and people who agree with her, are being attacked, rather than the message.

DiscoDancer1975

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975 If you are going to use scare tactics (an increase of 20% income tax) do please to use some accurate figures please. Also' there is no need to build on green belt land. It's just easier for developers to do that' rather than brown field sites which cost money to clear.

Finally, there are people who have done so or are sharing their homes with refugees.

I didn’t say that! WWM did.

The train was Avalon in response to liberal0 and then you gave it a thumbs up emoji.

25Avalon
This is how the wealth is distributed though

25Avalon

So we are one of the richest nations? Thought Brexit had wrecked us? You can’t have it bothe ways.

This is the kind of grasp of economics that got us where we are today. We are less than we were. We are less than we could be. Many are worse. But Brexit Britain doesn't care.

So we are one of the richest nations? Thought Brexit had wrecked us? You can’t have it bothe ways.

Lincslass

Alegrias1

Oh just stop it. 3 men.

3 men out of the thousands who come here and enrich our nation.

Typical rudeness, and dismissive of anything others say. If it wasn’t for these three, people wouldn’t be drowning. Glad you think it’s ok for them to be making thousands from people in despair. Will you stop it.

Yes, I'll stop it. When you're banging your head against a wall it feels good to stop.

Why don’t they come by legal safe routes instead of paying up to £20,000 to put themselves in danger on the sea?

Refugees when they are giving settled status give back far more than they ever take out of any nation.

Published by the Institue for Race Relations and the Permanent People's Tribunal, the report draws on data collected by French migrant support group Gisti. It finds that there have been at least 296 deaths from attempts to cross the Channel in the past 20 years, although the exact number will never be known