So many dreams for our youngsters dashed.

Oh please,we have left get over it! For Gods sake change the record!
Its so boring now!

Regarding climate change, one of the problems is building on flood plains, they had done that in Germany. Also how many properties have front gardens any more? The majority of areas that have problems with flooding had new housing built in the area.

The job market for many young people has contracted after Brexit, it was possiblt to work and travel throughout Europe and now someone from the UK is treated differently by all those countries and no longer has that flexibility for work, study or travel. However, if we are going to tackle climate change, so the young and their children can actually have any future at all, things will have to change even more. They are living through a great extinction event and from what I can see its unclear if we, the human race, will be able to withstand the changes to come. What a sad irony that we may be the first ever species on earth to have been able to predict our own demise and fail, so far at least, to act to prevent it.

KateF

Kali2

Already a huge problem for all those wanting to work in European resorts, be it in the leisure, sport or tourism of any form - and ski/snowboard instructors, sailing, surfing, etc. as 'equivalence' only applies to EU and Switzerland. Now those who aspire to be pilots, face the same problem as post-Brexit exclusion frustrates UK pilots as carriers seek EASA-licensed crews.

The Ski Operators are now advertising for staff in all their resorts, requiring an EU passport for all staff, from cleaners, to reps and instructors.

How sad that opportunities for our grand-children are being dashed like this - at the time where they lives are being so restricted in other ways due to Covid, and they also face the worries of climate change.

When I did my stints at Ski resorts and Campsites, we all were required to have visas, no different to today on a Brit Passport, they are also required to have a Covid Vaccination certificate.

Who has led Europe in Covid Vaccinations, Ummmmm Ummmmm of course the UK, silly me I forgot!!.

I am curious here, when did you do this? Before 73? And in which country?

Ski Companies are now refusing to employ British youngsters, as it is such a complicated process- which can take weeks and even months- and if the work permit is refused, they could find themselves without the necessary staff to run their operation in time for the start of season.

Same for other jobs. All the job adverts say currently that only applicants with EU passports need apply.

growstuff

Kandinsky

It’s all very well for you pouring scorn on my comments, but I very much doubt you live the life of an unskilled labourer in Doncaster.
Jobs in the north ( & south ! ) were taken by EU workers, 1000’s of them, & many were paid very low wages - exploitation in my opinion.
You see brexit through your own privileged position, and will continue to you dying day thinking all leave voters are uneducated scum.
I actually feel sorry for you.

Why wasn't minimum wage being enforced?

Exactly what I was going to say- so much easier than this current disastrous debacle called Brexit.

The average migrant worker from the EU contributes approximately £2,700 per annum more to the public purse than the average UK born worker.

I live in a remote part of the UK with an aging population. Local young people leave the area for better paid work elsewhere. If it was not for incredible young migrant workers 'taking' our local jobs e.g. carers, builders, gardeners, medical professions, refuse collections us older people who rely on their services would be completely buggered.

Kadinsky they do not come here and take our jobs, they come here and take the jobs we do not have people able to fill like bar staff, farm workers, doctors, nurses.

In a growing economy the number of jobs available is constantly growing and people are needed to fill them. In 1964, when I started work there were roughly 25 million people in the work force. In 2018 it was around 35 million. No need for anyone to give their job up for other people to fill.

Some of my daughter's carers are European too. I value them just as much as I do my dentist! I'd like to see all these British care workers lining up for work. We find it really difficult to fill the roles as it is. It is a fallacy that these people are taking British people's jobs.

JaneJudge

My dentist is Hungarian

and my chiropractor is Dutch, lovely lad. Kandinsky, your comment is rather vitriolic and unfair; just what on earth has JaneJudge's Hungarian dentist, or my Romanian friend working as a theatre manager got to do with the desperate conditions of an unemployed labourer in Doncaster? Other than the labourer, like yourself perhaps, believes that the fault lies with the Hungarian dentist 'taking his job' rather than with the poor life chances handed down by generations of poor UK government? The working people of other countries must not be blamed for the exploitation of others. Punch up, not down.

Kandinsky

*Oh god… not the “come here and take our jobs” thing*

I’m sure you’d gladly give them your job, or your partners job, or your children’s job.

Course you would.

I worked in a company where about 20 or so Europeans whose first language wasn't English formed a call centre that meant the company stayed in Scotland instead of moving to the EU. About 100 or so other (Scottish) people were employed at that site, including unskilled people who worked on the manufacturing line.

Its moved to the EU now.

My parents live in an area where hundreds of EU migrants worked in the fish processing industry, keeping those industries alive and providing employment for the fishermen and supporting trades that made the area flourish. Many factories closing down now.

You really have no idea Kandinsky

growstuff I don't think anybody here will think that I approve of anything this government does. But I think its a bit much to constantly be criticising them for not buying enough of the "right" vaccine. They ordered shedloads of every kind of vaccine and time has shown that, e.g. we shouldn't be using the AZ one with younger people. So the balance isn't perfect, but you make the best decision you can with the information available to you at the time.

Most of what the government have done in this pandemic has been a disaster, but this is not one of those things.

Those are the facts, however much you try to deny it.

Oh god… not the “come here and take our jobs” thing

I’m sure you’d gladly give them your job, or your partners job, or your children’s job.

Course you would.

Yes, and it was named after Erasmus the theologian and great thinker that's why I was asking Erasmus the South African practices non-apartheid policies, therefore, excluding no one whatever their education level.

Kandinsky

It’s all very well for you pouring scorn on my comments, but I very much doubt you live the life of an unskilled labourer in Doncaster.
Jobs in the north ( & south ! ) were taken by EU workers, 1000’s of them, & many were paid very low wages - exploitation in my opinion.
You see brexit through your own privileged position, and will continue to you dying day thinking all leave voters are uneducated scum.
I actually feel sorry for you.

Why wasn't minimum wage being enforced?

It’s all very well for you pouring scorn on my comments, but I very much doubt you live the life of an unskilled labourer in Doncaster.
Jobs in the north ( & south ! ) were taken by EU workers, 1000’s of them, & many were paid very low wages - exploitation in my opinion.
You see brexit through your own privileged position, and will continue to you dying day thinking all leave voters are uneducated scum.
I actually feel sorry for you.

Alegrias1

Please do try not to be sarcastic growstuff, its not becoming.

Alternatively, try to be accurate. (I guess that's sarcastic. Oh well)

"didn't order enough" isn't the same as "hasn't arrived yet"

I am being accurate.

The UK government didn't originally order enough mRNA doses, which is why there's been a slowdown in younger people in England being offered vaccinations. It initially ordered 48 million Pfizer and Moderna doses, which have now all been used or allocated for second doses. 16 and 17 year olds can't book appointments in England yet and there is no commitment to giving them a second dose.

Those are the facts, however much you deny it.

My dentist is Hungarian

Yammy, Erasmus the academic exchange program our students are no longer allowed to access the scheme now we have left the EU.

The Erasmus programme was established in 1987 as an exchange programme for higher education students. ... Today, Erasmus+ offers a wide range of opportunities in higher education, vocational education and training, school education, adult education, youth and sport. These are open to learners, educators and youth workers

Please do try not to be sarcastic growstuff, its not becoming.

Alternatively, try to be accurate. (I guess that's sarcastic. Oh well)

"didn't order enough" isn't the same as "hasn't arrived yet"

Alegrias1

Several hundred million doses ordered.

Posted in response to the post that suggested the government didn't order enough vaccines Mawbe. The conversation moved on while I was typing!

... and not yet delivered! Please do try to keep up on that one!

The next batch of Pfizer vaccines is due in late September. They're the ones needed to vaccinate younger people.

It seems Iand many like me were wrong because we took our lovely British talents overseas, but the EU citizens coming here were just intent on taking low wage jobs and putting the Brits out of work.

Its like a parallel universe, really.

Oh god… not the “come here and take our jobs” thing.
Really ?

Kandinsky

**But when I did it, in the nineties, I hopped on a cross channel ferry, drove to my destination, started work on the Monday. No Visa, no immigration requirements, just moving house. It was easy. It was becoming normal, it was like moving from one UK town to another**

That was the problem - it was too easy for people from all over the EU to come here, take our jobs and drive down wages.
All too easy. And they were doing it in their millions.

Gosh yes, all those Portugese nurses, German dentists, people like my friend a Theatre Manager (medical) from Romania. Bloody cheek of them.

Kandinsky

**But when I did it, in the nineties, I hopped on a cross channel ferry, drove to my destination, started work on the Monday. No Visa, no immigration requirements, just moving house. It was easy. It was becoming normal, it was like moving from one UK town to another**

That was the problem - it was too easy for people from all over the EU to come here, take our jobs and drive down wages.
All too easy. And they were doing it in their millions.

Well the Brexiters have got their way. We're back in the Sixties!!

Coming over here, taking our jobs...they probably married our women as well

Several hundred million doses ordered.

Posted in response to the post that suggested the government didn't order enough vaccines Mawbe. The conversation moved on while I was typing!