Prince Andrew is being sued

Nothing at all.
He was older, rich and in a position of power.

Actually if it makes you feel any better I would feel the same about my local plumber. But then older men behaving this way with teenagers makes me feel sick. What does he was not married at the time have to do with anything.

Some posters on here are like a mob baying for blood when no-one other than the parties concerned knows all the facts. One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time. The anger of the mob is frightening to behold. I suspect much of it arises purely because a member of the RF is involved - posters may remember his bravery in the Falklands War but no, I’m not excusing him because of that because there is nothing to excuse until proven otherwise in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

I know Summerlove, but seeing it in the flesh, so to speak...

I've got news for you Annie You're not being clever.

Parsley I am sick of reading ‘ asking why she is only naming
Andrew as if that let’s him off’

Asking about one of the Kray twins doesn’t mean one thinks the other twin is innocent, it may for you but not for me.

Alegrias1

WTF? She kept coming back for more? I'm really shocked that someone would say that. It does none of you any credit whatsoever to say such a thing.

You shouldn’t be.

So many people are basically saying the same.

Women’s harshest critics are always other women

Anniebach

So many men allegedly involved yet she chooses not to name an American, would it have been easier to sue an American rather than a man from another country, she wants justice , why make it more difficult.

Is this a serious question?

Hmmm bob raped me, but Carl was there and lives in my country, so ill sue Carl instead?

Can you for once not defend a member of the Royal family?

This is a very poor look on you.

H1954

Is this woman a friend of Megan's by any chance?

What a nasty, small minded remark.

I am sick of reading the why is she only naming Andrew posts as if that lets him off the hook. He was besties with Epstein and his girl friend for years. Regardless of Guiffre's motivation he has left himself wide open to this type of exposure and he has to face the consequences.

Unfortunately when I read threads like these I'm reminded how closed minded people are about abuse and grooming

25Avalon you’re right, I posted an explanation earlier in the thread to identify this. The civil case isn’t a criminal case, it’s essentially a compensation claim.

Differences in Punishment
Civil cases generally only result in monetary damages or orders to do or not do something, known as injunctions. Note that a criminal case may involve both jail time and monetary punishments in the form of fines. In general, because criminal cases have greater consequences - the possibility of jail and even death - criminal cases have many more protections in place and are harder to prove. Here’s the salient section.

The Standard of Proof
Crimes must generally be proved "beyond a reasonable doubt", whereas civil cases are proved by lower standards of proof such as "the preponderance of the evidence" (which essentially means that it was more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way). The difference in standards exists because civil liability is considered less blameworthy and because the punishments are less severe.

Maddison

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

I have no words if that is what you really think/feel

if she were your GD, would you say, later when it all came out, but darling why didn't you tell me, why didn't you come to me.
but granny, she says, i'd been reading your posts on GN.....

WTF? She kept coming back for more? I'm really shocked that someone would say that. It does none of you any credit whatsoever to say such a thing.

bangs head on wall. slowly.

Maddison

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

Oh for God's sake - they were minors. Even if they were having a great time if it happened it would still be a crime. Why do people find that so hard to understand.?

But she kept coming back for more, they all liked the money i don't think we will ever get to the truth of exactly what happened there

Doodledog

25Avalon

It’s not a criminal case so they can’t extradite him.

How is it not a criminal case? If it's not, it definitely should be, which is not to prejudge his guilt or innocence, but the charge should definitely be a criminal one.

It’s a civil law case being brought by Virginia Guiffre. It has not been brought by the authorities who have laid no criminal charges against PA so extradition rules don’t apply.

I dont know what to think about all this apart from the fact that he should have known better.

What was the girl doing there anyway? Was she there more than once?

VRG was living a stable family life for the first time ever in Australia when the FBI sought her out because other victims had named her and Epstein's staff had. With the other victims they pursued Epstein, got screwed over by lawyers who bargained with Epstein then Maxwell. They have sought proper justice but been denied it. She is taking this path with Andrew because it is the only way left open to seek any justice and show to other victims to be strong.
I think Andrew may be cured of his non-sweating problem by now.

Whitewavemark2 how is wondering why she didn’t name and Sue an American because it may have made her search for
justice easier saying Andrew is innocent ?

Hope you will explain

Alegrias1

There won't be answers WWM2 and Lucca. Just enough posts to cast doubt on this woman's character, just enough insinuations to plant a seed amongst the gullible that Windsor must be the innocent party. Then off into the ether.

This is one of the most depressing threads I've read here.

In particular the barely-disguised "well maybe something did happen but she was asking for it or hoped to gain from it" comments.

Daisend1

WHY leave what is after *all *alleged until now .?

Possibly because you believed that the case would be dealt with by the legal system and your abuser brought to justice? So she's hung on but the US has a statute of limitations, so something had to be done.
Funny how the law seldom deals with cases like this as robustly as you would hope isn't it?

Chewbacca

^I think the whole debauched business just highlights how wrong it is to have anyone with a title^

His title has nothing to do with what he's accused of. He is a man accused of being involved in the sexual molestation of a young girl that was procured for him by Epstein and Maxwell. He did that whilst being the father of 2 daughters of a similar age. My guess is that he would have done it whether he was a king, a banker or a dustman; his title just assisted him in covering his tracks a bit longer. There are far more "titled" people in the world, who have not been involved in sleazy behaviour, than you're alluding to.

Totally agree with this post Chewbacca

I cannot begin to understand what Epstein’s harem went through/were coerced/forced to do all for false promises that never materialised.

These girls were procured from poor and gullible families.

If this case stops any other young girl from going through the same, it’s worth it.

Do we even know it was her who kept the photograph? I'm sure given what has been going on with Epstein/Maxwell, if that photo came to light people may try and find who the girl in the photo was.