Does Briton have a moral duty to take in as many Afghan refugees as possible?

Just assume it's different from yours.

Saetana

Chestnut You are right - I am so tired of people trotting out baseless phrases like "far right" and "ultra right" - I'm only surprised nobody has fulfilled Godwins Law yet

growstuff I do NOT appreciate you accusing me of having "extreme views" - you have no idea about my views! Just for the record, my politics are a mixture of centre right, liberal, libertarian and green, plus a dash of socialism. Your world view must be very simplistic.

Oh dear! Nothing like resorting to personal insults when you don't have a case to make! Lol!

PS. You don't appear to have much idea about my worldview.

Chestnut You are right - I am so tired of people trotting out baseless phrases like "far right" and "ultra right" - I'm only surprised nobody has fulfilled Godwins Law yet

growstuff I do NOT appreciate you accusing me of having "extreme views" - you have no idea about my views! Just for the record, my politics are a mixture of centre right, liberal, libertarian and green, plus a dash of socialism. Your world view must be very simplistic.

growstuff

Saetana

Unherd is not right wing - it is a publication that hosts alternative opinions to the swill we get fed by the mainstream media. Their writers are a diverse bunch from many walks of life - with a mixture of right, left, liberal and libertarian views - you even get the odd green popping up for time to time.

It's right wing. Only somebody with extreme views could consider it otherwise.

Saetana thanks for posting a sensible article. I'm afraid the truth is very distasteful to some on here. Maybe only someone with extreme views could consider it right wing.

Saetana

None of us are neutral on the subject of Afghanistan - regardless, can you say what he writes in the article is wrong?

It's a sweeping statement to claim nobody is neutral.

Saetana

Unherd is not right wing - it is a publication that hosts alternative opinions to the swill we get fed by the mainstream media. Their writers are a diverse bunch from many walks of life - with a mixture of right, left, liberal and libertarian views - you even get the odd green popping up for time to time.

It's right wing. Only somebody with extreme views could consider it otherwise.

I am not sure I am judging them I am puzzled that if you have fled in fear from somewhere you would ever want to go back. I hope they do get out but what a risk to take.

Sounds just like the new tv station which no-one watches.

The ultra-right re-categorise everyone else in relation to themselves so right wing becomes left wing , they are middle of the road and Atilla the Hun is moderately right wing.

None of us are neutral on the subject of Afghanistan - regardless, can you say what he writes in the article is wrong?

Unherd is not right wing - it is a publication that hosts alternative opinions to the swill we get fed by the mainstream media. Their writers are a diverse bunch from many walks of life - with a mixture of right, left, liberal and libertarian views - you even get the odd green popping up for time to time.

Peter Franklin is a conservative policy and speech writer. Could find someone more neutral?

This is an ultra right wing website spouting propaganda

Regarding Theresa May: I cannot stand the woman, she should have gone the way of most ex PMs and stood down at the last election. The reasons I dislike her are extensive and not directly to do with the subject at hand so I'll spare you the rant.

Getting back to the subject of Afghanistan: I read an interesting article this afternoon on the subject of yesterday's parliamentary debate, link below and its not behind a paywall.

unherd.com/thepost/the-debate-on-afghanistan-exposed-a-delusional-parliament/

luluaugust. The Man's Father, a doctor, fled the Taliban and came to the UK in 1999. The Taxi driver came here with his family in 2011. So how does that fit in with your comments about I thought the Afghans coming to this country were in dire straights and terrified of being in their own country ?

If you are going to quote the Mailonline, it is bad enough without putting your own judgemental twist on it

Dinahmo
There is a very lucrative arms deal between the Russians, who send them to North Korea, who send them to Iran, who sell them to the Taliban

I thought the Afghans coming to this country were in dire straights and terrified of being in their own country, so why today do I see a piece about a family given refuge here who all went back to Afghanistan for a family wedding and are trapped. By our western standards their moral duty was to fight for their country they reneged on that. We have tried to give them the means to defend themselves and they have told us clearly what to do with it. Women and children have always paid the price for men fighting, human nature can't be changed.

I thought the Taliban were using AK-47's

This is an extract from an email that has just arrived in my inbox from Crowd Justice

"Baktash* provided frontline assistance to the British armed forces in their fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan. He acted as an interpreter for three and a half years for major figures such as Prince Charles, William Hague, Bob Ainsworth and Liam Fox. He also worked as a Political Officer in the British embassy in Kabul. He translated for British ambassadors during face to face meetings with the Taliban to negotiate a peaceful solution. His story has attracted widespread attention in the media.

Help bring Baktash's family to safety

Baktash and his family have been targeted by the Taliban due to his assistance and allegiance to the UK Government. The Taliban have a policy of finding those who have worked for the British government and executing them and their families. He successfully claimed asylum in the UK in 2013. However, his family remain in Kabul, Afghanistan. Recently, his family’s home was broken into and weapons were fired.

His brother also assisted the British armed forces as a labourer. He applied to be relocated to the UK but his application was rejected by the Home Office. Since then, his brother was brutally attacked in his own home, leaving him with serious head injuries. His family are a prime target of the Taliban and are living in danger."

We have already heard on the news that the Taliban are painting pink crosses above the doors of some Afghanis' homes for future reference.

I don't accept that Taliban claims that they are going to behave differently towards women than they have in the past. How can hundreds of years of education of men about sharia law be undone in a few years?

Saetana

growstuff Seriously? That was the only thing you took from my post? I did not watch the entire Commons debate - frankly it was a trainwreck and a complete waste of time (as are most Commons debates if we are going to be honest) - but Theresa May can STFU. Tugendhat if I remember correctly actually served in Afghanistan he is entitled to his opinion but it is just ONE opinion. I did not hear Rory Stewart but he would be well advised to jump ship to either Labour or the Lib Dems as he is not a conservative in any way, shape or form (and that has nothing to do with this subject).

Rory Stewart is no longer an MP but he did appear on Question Time yesterday evening and knew more about Afghanistan than James Cleverly who was a total waste of space.

Seeing that this is really about refugees...

GLASGOW has more asylum seekers than another other council area in the UK, according to a new study,
..
This left the South East and East of England with the lowest percentage of asylum seekers per head of population, both at 0.01%, while the North East of England had the most, at 0.19%.

www.thenational.scot/news/18025310.scottish-city-asylum-seekers-uk-council-area/

Doing our share.

Chestnut

SueDonim

As Alegrias has said, much of Scotland is not suitable for habitation. On the other hand, according to media reports, there are numerous mansions standing empty in London. Let’s requisition those to house refugees.

So you want London to become a refugee camp? Or maybe you think the UK is like the tardis?

There are unused office blocks all over the country, some of which could be converted into flats.

Cossy

Just as an aside those of you that truly believe the Afghan men should stay and fight for their country ? Firstly it’s a civil war - secondly with what ??? They have no weapons - the taluban have had 20 years to accrue new a members, money, weapons etc The only others with weapons were the US and UK forces and they didn’t leave them behind !

Apparently the Taliban are using weaponry left behind by the Americans.

My post was in response to the idea that maybe England was doing its fair share by building on farmland while Scotland wasn't.
We all know Scotland is mountainous, therefore how can it 'do its share' of building on farmland if there is little suitable land for building on? So it seems all the new developments have to take place over English fields and England pays the price.

Lets face it we should never have got into Afghanistan in the first place, any more than we should have got into Iraq. These are deeply traditional tribal societies and we should never have got involved with attempting to impose a western style of governance upon them.

We have a moral obligation to offer refuge to anyone who supported the British (and their immediate families) but none to take randoms who just want to flee the Taliban.

(How did we get from Afghan refugees to the grazing habits of sheep? Sorry for the diversion, no more from me)