Does Briton have a moral duty to take in as many Afghan refugees as possible?

Chestnut

^But. The Borders are lowland. The sheep graze there. Here's some sheepies by St Abbs Head.^
The picture you posted was not a flat lowland area, it was higher and near cliffs. Not suitable for housing estates. It is the fields around towns which are being built on, we can ill afford to lose our farming land but we are. Slowly but surely it is being swallowed up, while the population keeps rising. And yet people posting here are more than happy to encourage an ever increasing population with no consideration for the consequences. For instance, this massive Segro Logistics Park near the M1 is using 700 acres of farming land for a massive transport hub to provide for our swelling population. Then there's houses required.

Like I said, I know nothing of sheep. But I know the difference between Highland and Lowland. I know its not suitable for housing estates, that's my point. Maybe an understanding that the Lowlands of Scotland aren't quite the same as the lowlands of Suffolk would be helpful.

(I don't know if Suffolk have lowlands, but I know its flat....)

Too demoralised to fight for their country? Good job we didn't feel like that during two world wars.

* Just as an aside those of you that truly believe the Afghan men should stay and fight for their country ? Firstly it’s a civil war - secondly with what ??? They have no weapons -*

According to various news reports the Afghan army are well equipped - the US spent $83bn training and arming them. But they were too demoralised by the withdrawal of the US and other military forces which had supported them, to stay and fight. Nothing to do with not having the equipment.

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But. The Borders are lowland. The sheep graze there. Here's some sheepies by St Abbs Head.
The picture you posted was not a flat lowland area, it was higher and near cliffs. Not suitable for housing estates. It is the fields around towns which are being built on, we can ill afford to lose our farming land but we are. Slowly but surely it is being swallowed up, while the population keeps rising. And yet people posting here are more than happy to encourage an ever increasing population with no consideration for the consequences. For instance, this massive Segro Logistics Park near the M1 is using 700 acres of farming land for a massive transport hub to provide for our swelling population. Then there's houses required.

Ah well, can't blame a girl for trying!

Nope, sorry, can’t do that!

Join me in my mission SueDonim

Alegrias, I think Scotland is as foreign to some people here as Afghanistan is to most of us!

I know next to nothing about sheep and farmland.

But. The Borders are lowland. The sheep graze there. Here's some sheepies by St Abbs Head.

My post was in response to the idea that maybe England was doing its fair share by building on farmland while Scotland wasn't.

Alegrias1

^Someone else said they can’t build on farmland in Scotland, but people seem happy enough to build on it in England.to house a bigger population.^

Have you actually been to the Borders?

Depends what you call farmland. There are highland areas where sheep etc. graze and there are lowland areas where crops are grown and dairy cattle kept. Obviously highlands are unsuitable but in England we are seeing lowland farming land being built on at a staggering rate around our towns. Our countryside is being swallowed up and the more people here the more countryside we will lose.

Saetana, the only bit of your rambling, rather nasty post that I agree with is about Rory Stewart, he is far too empathetic to be a member of the current Tory administration. As to the rest of your post, including the comments about Teresa May.....how old are you? STFU, really?

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Someone else said they can’t build on farmland in Scotland, but people seem happy enough to build on it in England.to house a bigger population.

Have you actually been to the Borders?

Patel is following Johnson’s path - when up against it - lie

Eh? Germany is only taking 10 million? That seems a lot. I don't understand. The UK is talking about 20,000 over three years.

Please could you point me in the direction of anybody on this thread who has claimed that the UK should take all Afghanistan's refugees.

Incidentally, there are currently between 1.4 - 3 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan. I don't think the UK has much to complain about.

Welshwife

I’m coming to the conclusion that PPatel has little idea of what she is doing! 5,000 a year is a drop in the ocean. What will the other 15,000 do while they wait several years to be evacuated? In previous times when people have had need to be evacuated they have been evacuated as quickly as possible and they were found temporary homes until a more permanent solution could be found. Surely that needs to be done now and once here the skills they can offer should be used to help everybody - we are told the U.K. is having problems recruiting people with all sorts of skills - these people may well be able to fill some of those gaps.

You do realise we are not the only country taking refugees don’t you. The way people on here are talking, and I totally agree about taking in refugees, we should take the whole of Afghanistan onto this little island in the North Sea. Someone else says about the empty homes we have, but we’ve had these for years, why haven’t they been made available for our own homeless and for asylum seekers already here, some whom are living in terrible conditions, especially in the big cities. London should not be the epicentre for them, safety doesn’t mean London.Someone else said they can’t build on farmland in Scotland, but people seem happy enough to build on it in England.to house a bigger population.That must stop. More people need more food, we must become more sufficient in that. Our population has grown massively since the Ugandan Asians came here. We need realism, not over emotional actions. Germany are only taking 10 million, and not all at once.

Spoilt. Based on some boys your children once met at school, who probably weren't even from Afghanistan. Do you work for the Intelligence Services? With such insights you'd be an asset.

Excuse my language, but f*** me.

Interesting description of all Afghan men as spoilt Interested. In your opinion, is it just Afghan and Middle Eastern men who are spoilt?

Got it!

rosie1959

fairfraise

STFU ?

Quick way of saying Shut the f### up

Or - I dislike your argument but I haven’t the wherewithal to put forward an intelligent alternative.

fairfraise

STFU ?

Quick way of saying Shut the f### up

STFU ?

No, the Taliban would not have succeeded if the Afghans wanted democracy and had non corrupt government I don't want any more spoilt Afghan men here. The only reason the Taliban succeeded was because as in Iraq no one wanted the corrupt government supported by the Americans. The women bring up the spoilt men, who are someone's sons. My children had some Middle Eastern boys at school who were spoilt and had no respect for the female teachers. We shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan. It's like us asking the German army to help us resolve problems in Northern Ireland. We don't want to import these women hating cultures.
www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/8/17/the-collapse-of-afghan-military-we-have-seen-this-movie-before.

What's wrong with Theresa May's opinion? If all you can say is that she can STFU, you obviously don't have much to contribute to the debate. Tugendhat, Mercer, Dan Jarvis all served in Afghanistan. Rory Stewart has spent time in Afghanistan and Toby Ellwood was in the Royal Green Jackets. He didn't serve in Afghanistan but knows what it's like in other conflict zones. Andrew Mitchell has visited Afghanistan a number of times.

I didn't watch the whole Parliamentary debate, but how would you know it was a train wreck if you didn't watch it either?

Interesting that Germany takes far more refugees than any other western country.