Macron and the AZ vaccine

thanks sodapop

The pass sanitaire only applies to the large shopping centres. As for cafés / restaurants, it depends when they were there. The measures have been introduced gradually and local government has also had a role.
Just watching the news and 57% of 12-18 year olds have now had first vaccines. They finished by saying that France has caught up and is about to become one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. That would not have happened without the Pass Sanitaire.
Obviously there have been protests and demonstrations, but polls show that about 70% of the population support the policy.

I think it's mandatory from this week Lillie last week was a period of grace.

my daughter and partner went through the tunnel and only had to show passports
they were never asked for proof of vaccination in restaurants or cafes or when shopping in the south of france
so does it depend on the venue and the owner whether you get checked

Should the UK follow Macron and France's lead on compulsory vaccinations for certain people, and the obligation to be fully vaccinated or in possession of a negative test in lots of other areas? My answer would be yes, but I wonder if everyone lauding the French success would agree.

From the bmj website.

On 12 July the French president, Emmanuel Macron, announced that mandatory vaccination would apply to anyone who comes into contact with vulnerable people, including doctors, nurses, office staff, and volunteers.2 They must be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus by 15 September or will risk not being paid.

Macron added that from 21 July anyone wanting to visit a theatre, cinema, sports venue, or festival involving an audience of more than 50 people would need to show a pass proving that they were either fully vaccinated or had tested negative. From 1 August this requirement will extend to cafes, bars, restaurants, shopping malls, and long distance trains. After his announcement almost a million people, most of them under 35, booked their vaccination.

lemongrove Find your own links, there are plenty.

I've just spent half an hour trying and failing, so maybe you could help me out?

My Grandchildren all did a full year at school in masks with vaccinated teachers, no problem. All exams went on as normal . I was vaccinated (no health problems,67 years) 3 weeks after my English friends, without the boasting, given a choice of vaccine astra or phizer,
No problem,still wear mask outside, show my pass sanitaire where necessary,no problem,life pretty normal, aahhhhj

My two teenage girls 13 and 16 were vaccinated at the end of June. I don’t know whether my 11 year old GS will be before school starts though, as his parents have said it’s his decision. However, he loves sport so that may be a factor to sway him.

Yes I await the verbatim account of what he actually said in French with interest Lemongrove.
Thanks Lillie that will be helpful (tea here ?).
I am just bemused about why there is still so much interes in what Macron said or didn't say six months on.
I seem to recall Boris Johnson was reported as saying that the success of the UK vaccine programme was based on capitalism and greed. I didn't think it was correct at the time and I still don't. I don't feel the need to bang on about it. Much more interested in the present and the impact of the UK vaccine programme on my grandchildren.

The Lemongrove MO.

Make more and more outrageous statements, mainly involving foreign leaders if possible, decline to corroborate anything, accuse others of being touchy and then think its funny. And possibly end with I'm off, I have many more important things to do than this

This is how Johnson got elected. Everyone thinks its just a big game and all for a laugh.

I think I have touched a nerve!
Find your own links, there are plenty.I thank you for the sweeping statement award ?I shall keep it on the mantelpiece.

lemongrove

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron.That doesn’t make him any less anti-British and angry about Brexit.
The way he acted and spoke about the AZ vaccine is there for all to see.If you don’t want to see it, then fine by me.
FIN.

Send us a link then.

Lucca

*All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron*

Wow. You win the sweeping statement award for today !

... and the silliest!

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron

Wow. You win the sweeping statement award for today !

lemongrove

Dear oh dear growstuff !
You obviously didn’t watch the news or read any newspapers, and yes, there are some good reliable newspapers around.
After rubbishing the AZ vaccine, they then realised they had shot themselves in the foot, as people there didn’t want it, and the virus spread unchecked with too few being vaccinated.
Then they decided it was possibly safe after all, demanded consignments already promised to other countries should go to EU countries only, and after all that, it set back their vaccination programmes by miles.

This is true. My 70 year old sister in Germany only got her first vaccine, after all the brooha from Merkel and Macron, in April, two weeks after my second one.

or is that strong black french coffee mamie which clears the head

mamie being an hour ahead of us has obviously had longer to get her thinking brain into gear
all the dozen or so early rising comments here are just squabbles
come back later for meaningful discussion

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron.That doesn’t make him any less anti-British and angry about Brexit.
The way he acted and spoke about the AZ vaccine is there for all to see.If you don’t want to see it, then fine by me.
FIN.

lemongrove "So called facts which can be disputed actually."

Next phrase to enter this discussion will be "alternative facts".

If they can be disputed, then dispute them.

You are sounding very put out growstuff by my amusement of you calling British news ‘parochial’...but it was such a silly thing for you to say.

“ So called facts which can be disputed actually.”. Ok, then ..
Macron's remarks were not made in relation to blood clots, which had not arisen as an issue at the time. They were about the lack of early data from the Oxford trials about the effectiveness in older people, (who were under-represented in the trials). When the evidence was available that it was perfectly effective, the first doses in France were targeted at the 60-75 year olds with pre-existing conditions, of whom my husband was one. That was in early March.
Is this incorrect ?

As do you growstuff ...you are no stranger to it on the politics pages.

It's a really weird thing to say anyway, it depends on their political persuasion, I dont feel any pain when Johnson is criticised.

Lucca

lemongrove

Mamie you live in France, so what must be painful for you are any accusations aimed at Macron, however you will have to put up with that.

growstuff ‘parochial’ British news? That made me laugh.
I guess French news is more to your taste ( what with France being in the EU and all.)

Why have a go at Mamie? She has only tried to answer with facts.

Or have a go at me?

Sounds like a toddler might have hacked into lemongrove's account.

dissing politicians is what’s done on the news and politics threads.

Well, you know all about dissing.