Macron and the AZ vaccine

The vaccine programme is ahead of the U.K. in many EU countries now. Not of course reported in the U.K. press. My Italian relatives all done including the 15 year old. The hesitancy over the AZ vaccine was fuelled by an 18 year old developing a blood clot and dying after the AZ vaccine.Seems like a good reason for hesitancy. If people think that is an excuse and just revenge for Brexit then they have a giant anti EU chip on their shoulder. I seem to think the U.K. doesn’t use AZ for under 30s?

The pass sanitaire became obligatory on 9 August for restaurants and bars and leisure and cultural venues. There was a week's "learning period" to enable such establishments to get used to it. Until 9th August it was possible to go to a cinema or theatre that only allowed 49 people in.

The owner of our local bar/restaurant is closing permanently at the end of the month because he doesn't agree with policing people, as is a similar establishment in a nearby town. I read recently that around 700 bars/restaurants throughout France will be closing permanently for the same reason. Others are doing take away meals only so the passport is not required. One friend went to another restaurant last Friday and the police turned up to check on the passports.

Many people are unhappy about but they chose to go along with it. No doubt most of us will get used to it.

lemongrove

Re vaccinating young children, I hope we don’t go down this route, it’s unnecessary and could have very bad consequences .
Over 16’s seems sensible.

Our 16 year old grandson is having his vaccination tomorrow. Presumably it’s down to individual health authorities again.

Fortunately, I don’t see this in real life, but every day is Groundhog Day on here.

That'll be why the OP was a rumour about something that was alleged to have happened about six months ago, then.

Re vaccinating young children, I hope we don’t go down this route, it’s unnecessary and could have very bad consequences .
Over 16’s seems sensible.

User7777

As if anyone thought we would be popular after Brexit. Well, the vote is over, time to look forward not back

Many posters don’t want to look forward, you need only read a few threads on this forum to see that.
Some are still re-living the referendum of 5 years ago!
Everything in EU countries is marvellous apparently, and all in the UK is doom and gloom.?
Fortunately, I don’t see this in real life, but every day is Groundhog Day on here.

Maggiemaybe

^Has anybody bothered to tell the virus to stop infecting people because the rules re self-isolation have changed?^

A recent UK study concludes that up to 68% of cases in children are asymptomatic. The majority of the rest cause minor symptoms only. Hence the rule change regarding schools - many people feel that sending a whole class or bubble home because of one asymptomatic case (as has happened to three of my grandsons) is about as logical as shutting up shop because one of them has chickenpox.

But you obviously disagree. So do you know of a way to bring about zero infection? Would you vaccinate the entire population, babies included? Perhaps exclude any schoolchildren who aren’t vaccinated? Or just shut society down again and hope it all goes away?

Yes, I would vaccinate children, currently from age 12. There is safety data on this age group and there have been shown to be benefits to the children themselves and to the community.

There needs to be more research on children under 12, but if the vaccine is shown to be safe, I would vaccinate them all, including babies.

The UK is currently an outlier in its treatment of children and I'm afraid the data reflects it. The numbers might be relatively small, but there are thousands of children who might end up living with the effects of long Covid for the rest of their lives. It's an avoidable risk, which I don't think should be taken.

There haven't been even the slightest attempts to mitigate Covid transmission in schools. A relatively cheap and realistic goal would have been to improve ventilation by ensuring that all rooms have opening windows and installing air filters. Promised laptops could have been delivered, so that missing lessons wouldn't have been so catastrophic. It's not rocket science to anybody who could be bothered.

Sorry, I meant to quote Growstuff’s post re kidney disease.

I’d also be interested to know this. The young lad next door is waiting on a kidney transplant and was vaccinated ages ago because he is likely to be very vulnerable if he gets Covid. He has to go to hospital three times a week for dialysis at the moment and that’s obviously somewhere he could catch the disease.

Has anybody bothered to tell the virus to stop infecting people because the rules re self-isolation have changed?

A recent UK study concludes that up to 68% of cases in children are asymptomatic. The majority of the rest cause minor symptoms only. Hence the rule change regarding schools - many people feel that sending a whole class or bubble home because of one asymptomatic case (as has happened to three of my grandsons) is about as logical as shutting up shop because one of them has chickenpox.

But you obviously disagree. So do you know of a way to bring about zero infection? Would you vaccinate the entire population, babies included? Perhaps exclude any schoolchildren who aren’t vaccinated? Or just shut society down again and hope it all goes away?

growstuff

Maggiemaybe

The vaccination of 16 and 17 year olds began on 6 August in the UK. The quote on the BBC site relates to under 16s. And as the rules re self-isolation have changed, there shouldn’t be any more significant disruption to education.

I’m not a scientist so am happy to listen to the ones that I feel have done a good job here with our vaccine roll-out.

Has anybody bothered to tell the virus to stop infecting people because the rules re self-isolation have changed?

Sent by a Flemish friend - roughly "is this chair free?"

User7777

As if anyone thought we would be popular after Brexit. Well, the vote is over, time to look forward not back

Have you posted on the wrong thread?

This is from Kidney Research UK:

"Do we know enough about the vaccine to know that it is safe in kidney patients?

The kidney experts at the UK Kidney Association (who represent kidney doctors and nurses) have reviewed the evidence and agree that the vaccines are safe for people with kidney disease, on dialysis and who have kidney transplants.

Advice to individual people may vary because people with kidney disease often have other conditions too. What is right for one person may not be right for someone else. Your kidney doctors will know what is best for you so speak to them for more advice."

kidneyresearchuk.org/kidney-health-information/coronavirus-and-kidney-disease/the-covid-19-vaccines-and-kidney-disease/

There is no evidence that the vaccine causes damage to people with healthy kidneys.

On the other hand, there is evidence that being infected with Covid can cause kidney damage.

As if anyone thought we would be popular after Brexit. Well, the vote is over, time to look forward not back

moggie57

i wont be having the 2nd vaccine, ok call me stupid . but the start of the year i had a full working left kidney (yes i discussed this with my doctor) after the vaccine which attacked my gastric places very much (yes i wrote on the yellow card site) ,and now i only have 57% working left kidney.......am so angry and upset ,that this vaccine has left me worse off than i was .

How was it proved that this was caused by the vaccine? What investigations have you had?

Maggiemaybe

The vaccination of 16 and 17 year olds began on 6 August in the UK. The quote on the BBC site relates to under 16s. And as the rules re self-isolation have changed, there shouldn’t be any more significant disruption to education.

I’m not a scientist so am happy to listen to the ones that I feel have done a good job here with our vaccine roll-out.

Has anybody bothered to tell the virus to stop infecting people because the rules re self-isolation have changed?

Their education would be disrupted if they get Covid though. I would prefer to avoid that, especially for my granddaughter who has health issues that are not severe enough to allow a vaccination.

The vaccination of 16 and 17 year olds began on 6 August in the UK. The quote on the BBC site relates to under 16s. And as the rules re self-isolation have changed, there shouldn’t be any more significant disruption to education.

I’m not a scientist so am happy to listen to the ones that I feel have done a good job here with our vaccine roll-out.

Yes I was aware of their view Maggiemaybe. Knowing how Covid spread last term in my granddaughters' schools, the disruption to their education, the disruption to working parents and the problems it caused, I am more inclined to think that other countries have got it right. It isn't just about the balance between vaccination and serious illness in teenagers is it? It is also about the wider impact of creating centres of infection.
I am very relieved that my grandchildren in Spain have been vaccinated and concerned for my younger grandaughter in England. The elder one will go to university fully vaccinated which is a relief.
As the UK is starting to do 16 and 17 year olds now, it suggests that the view might be changing. It just seems to be a waste not to have started in the summer holidays.

Mamie, from the BBC website:

The government's vaccine advisors say the benefits of being vaccinated are very small in healthy children. This is because so few children become seriously ill or die from Covid. The JCVI also says the benefit to adults from vaccinating children (to limit the spread of Covid) is unclear as so many vulnerable people have been immunised already. It also says there is no clear evidence that vaccinating children will prevent youngsters from getting long-Covid. However, the JCVI is waiting for more safety and effectiveness data to see if more children should be offered jabs.

Different countries, different scientists, different views. The US for instance is planning to vaccinate children aged 4 and over this in the next few months, and is testing the vaccines for even younger ones.

I am sure the problem you now have with your left kidney must be very upsetting for you moggie57 but have medics categorically told you that the vaccine definitely damaged it?

I think he would be vulnerable to a good centre right candidate, but there doesn't seem to be one.
The left is in disarray and Le Pen is looking increasingly like a spent force. Macron has higher popularity ratings than any other recent President at this stage of his presidency.
As my U3A students said to me, "we will whinge and complain about him and then we will vote for him".
It is much in line with all the vaccine hesitancy that disappeared when the choice was vaccines or bars.

Not so sure Macaron won't be voted in.I watched France info news showing how there are too many
possible candidates so the votes are too thinly spread on the first round and as usual in the second round he
can emerge the victor . I hope so, the man is an economist and knows how to pull away from the last 2 years and he is not afraid of the usual street protest.

Rosie51 Of course there are French people against Macron’s stipulations, on how he is handling the pandemic and they take to the streets as usual, another reason he may not be vote in for a second tour, which I think is sad.
I had the AZ vaccine so I am eagerly waiting for a third jab which will include the new variants.

i wont be having the 2nd vaccine, ok call me stupid . but the start of the year i had a full working left kidney (yes i discussed this with my doctor) after the vaccine which attacked my gastric places very much (yes i wrote on the yellow card site) ,and now i only have 57% working left kidney.......am so angry and upset ,that this vaccine has left me worse off than i was .