Fingers crossed for Pen Farthing and Nowzad

Whitewavemark2

It has been suggested that Johnson’s wife intervened to get the animals to the U.K.

None of the staff working with Farthing were allowed to come to the U.K.

None of the staff working with Farthing were allowed to come to the U.K.
I would refer you to the posts where it's shown that the Staff had Visa's in place but - like a normal airport where they look at your passport and then at you to ensure that it's the same person, the processing facility was shut down on Thursday before the Staff got to that point. So you are absolutely correct, none of the staff working with Farthing were allowed to come to the UK because of this and nothing else. Not a case of Johnson's wife only wanting the animals here and not the people, if that is what is suggested.

Do I detect a note of hysteria creeping onto this thread? Much more and GNHQ will be along to delete it ?

Alegrias1

*PippaZ*, you are blowing this out of all proportion and now you're getting personal.

I'm off to Tescos.

And lying about what I had said in order to score a point isn't getting personal?

Enjoy your trip out. It might calm you down.

PippaZ, you are blowing this out of all proportion and now you're getting personal.

I'm off to Tescos.

But by the ethics of this thread, humans always come first.

God, but your nose has been put out of joint by one person not worshipping you as the second coming.

No one, but no one has determined the ethics of this thread or any other thread, although you seem to be trying very hard to be the one who does.

Alegrias1

Fair enough GG13

But by the ethics of this thread, humans always come first. They could have destroyed the truck and got more humans on the flight. Not that I am advocating that, or even suggesting that it was possible, but people seem more activated by evacuating animals than they are by evacuating lumps of metal and electronics.

I get what you are saying.

(Wait and we what happens when they realise Geronimo the alpaca has been euthanised today)

Fair enough GG13

But by the ethics of this thread, humans always come first. They could have destroyed the truck and got more humans on the flight. Not that I am advocating that, or even suggesting that it was possible, but people seem more activated by evacuating animals than they are by evacuating lumps of metal and electronics.

Alegrias1

^They obviously did. Animals came to the UK, people who needed to didn't.^

I wonder why more people aren't outraged by the fact that they managed to find space for an SUV in between the people on an evacuation flight?

Why and indeed, who are you to question other people's consciences? Have you taken orders in some animal cult? You must have known this would be an area where people would hold different views. This is not a debate it is a sermon.

Alegrias1

^They obviously did. Animals came to the UK, people who needed to didn't.^

I wonder why more people aren't outraged by the fact that they managed to find space for an SUV in between the people on an evacuation flight?

The SUV on the plane was answered the other day on one of the news programmes, apparently it was a spy armoured vehicle packed to the gills with computer equipment which had the Taliban got hold of would have been disastrous.

Alegrias ' In the name of the wee man'. I haven't heard that phrase for years! So pleased to be reminded.
As you were. Back to the thread.

Zoejory

I'm sure the Government will be pleased you've swallowed their take on this, PippaZ

Fallacious argument. I have never said I believe anything the government has said.

Will you please stop misrepresenting what I have said. I disagree with you; nothing you have put forward has convinced me. Your argument, such as it is, has not changed my point of view. Live with it; the world will not come to an end.

They obviously did. Animals came to the UK, people who needed to didn't.

I wonder why more people aren't outraged by the fact that they managed to find space for an SUV in between the people on an evacuation flight?

It has been suggested that Johnson’s wife intervened to get the animals to the U.K.

None of the staff working with Farthing were allowed to come to the U.K.

I'm sure the Government will be pleased you've swallowed their take on this, PippaZ

In the name of the wee man.....

I am not going to facilitate your pile on.

Your arguments, which I have read, do not convince me.

PippaZ

I'm afraid none of this will matter to those left behind, many knowing they are likely to be faced with an unspeakable death.

Would I prioritise animals over humans - no. Will those left find someone to blame without reading the Gransnet "thread of all knowledge" - yes.

This country is renowned for treating its pets better than some of its citizens. Some organisations and people anthropomorphise them to get money out of pensioners pockets to look after them. There is no way the removal of animals from Afghanistan while people are left behind can be made to look good except to those who treat animals in this way. Facts will not change the optics of this action from the point of view of those left behind. I am not surprised Johnson is washing his hands in public.

But it was never ever ever an issue of animals over humans. How after 17 pages has that not registered ..

The big picture is that the UK didn't expect the timescale of this, and the process wasn't in place to get as many as were needed out. The Afghan Army weren't ready to take responsibility for their country when the US and UK and other nations left - and none of those other countries could have managed without the US forces there. The US had the infrastructure in place,

Distraction and smoke screens - the Foreign Secretary knowing that this was happening, knowing these were the dates that the withdrawal would be in place, and was on holiday. Not enough people in place in Kabul to process the numbers of Afghans wanting and needing to get out. Bagram Airbase was under US control until they pulled out in early July 2021 - could have had so many more airlifts than just Kabul.

Blaming one bloke is a nonsense in my opinion. Thousands left behind because of this - it just isn't possible! We are being played by the UK Government to cover their shoddy planning.

Zoejory

*Would I prioritise animals over humans - no.*

And nobody has.

However there are some people who are completely unable to read up about this case and what's happened.

Why is this? God only knows

They obviously did. Animals came to the UK, people who needed to didn't.

It happened. I don't think it is a good look; I do think it is cruel to the people left behind. I wish it hadn't happened. nothing I have read has persuaded me that it was a good thing to do. It isn't that I haven't read your argument; it's that it hasn't convinced me.

I just listened to the famous foul-mouthed voicemail on Jeremy Vine. The one released by the MoD. Where he prioritises humans over animals at every point. And he swears like a trooper, which is what he was of course.

Then somebody blamed him for not staying with the animals in the UK and making sure they had "settled in". Aye, OK.

Alegrias1

I suspect that those left behind will blame the US and UK governments for not having the means to get them out. I don't expect they'll be blaming some ex-Marine and his animals.

Fallacious argument. I was not blaming some ex-Marine and his animals. I was not "blaming" anyone. I just think that it was a poor thing to do when we are leaving those who helped us, those whose lives our country has affected, behind.

Would I prioritise animals over humans - no.

And nobody has.

However there are some people who are completely unable to read up about this case and what's happened.

Why is this? God only knows

Alegrias1

Jeremy Vine will be interviewing Pen on his radio program today, he's just said.

Are we listening Grans?

Some organisations and people anthropomorphise them to get money out of pensioners pockets to look after them

Yes they do but then charities have been doing that for years - guilt tripping people with million pound ads to get them to donate. Some people’s animals are all they have. Animals have served us well and far, far more animals suffer appallingly than those that are treated as equals.

Animals haven’t brought us to this situation; humans have as we always do. Humans are the cause of all the suffering on this planet, aside from nature. One particular human has a lot to answer for in this crisis but he’s a busy man judging by how often he checks his watch! Then again, naybe he doesn’t know what day it is, nevermind what time.

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Of course you do Alegrais.