Is Starmer finally getting his team together to fight back?

I don’t think Labour are getting their act together. Which is a shame because the country is crying out for a decent alternative.

sometimes Boris must wonder how he got so lucky to have this lot in opposition..

Shocking news right now:

Moments ago, the Labour Party's Conference debated Proportional Representation for general elections.


A whopping 80% of delegates representing Labour members voted in favour of a proposal that "the next Labour government must change the voting system for general elections to a form of Proportional Representation".


But half the votes at Labour conference are cast by affiliated trade unions, most of whom have no policy on Proportional Representation. Disappointingly, the motion fell.

Because the far left within the LP are actively doing great harm to it and the far right in the Conserv Party aren’t ( at the moment anyway.)

Can anyone explain to me why the news media are constantly going on about the far left in the Labour Party but not the far right in the Conservatives.

trisher

Kali2 I wish I could believe that Starmer would protect the NHS and the education sector. But then I remember that Blair actively encouraged privatisation and created Academy schools. And Starmer so far has reneged on all the promises he made when he was standing as leader. It isn't much use having a Labour government if all they do is pave the way for more Tory policies.

Blimey trisher I agree with you

Riverwalk

Did anyone hear Rachel Reeves on LBC about an hour ago?

Another Labour politician who can't answer a simple question about women and cervixes. She was so utterly flummoxed and couldn't even speak, it was embarrassing - I thought she was about to cry!

twitter.com/LBC/status/1442380463298027520

In fairness to Reeves ( and anyone else) they are all so anxious to avoid being labelled ‘transphobic’ and vilified by the trans lobby that they don’t know what to say for the best.

I cannot, and will not- accept that Centre Left with Starmer- can be worse than continuing with ERG and Johnson.

Truly, no, I cannot.

And the 'left' of Labour will not be electable any time soon.

Tragic.

Kali2 I wish I could believe that Starmer would protect the NHS and the education sector. But then I remember that Blair actively encouraged privatisation and created Academy schools. And Starmer so far has reneged on all the promises he made when he was standing as leader. It isn't much use having a Labour government if all they do is pave the way for more Tory policies.

trisher

Kali2

At the end of the day Trisher - would you have preferred Blair or Thatcher (and I am NOT talking about Irak here)?

Oh I voted for Blair Kali2 I'm not ashamed to admit I fell for the hype. The thing Starmer has to realise is that people won't fall for it again.

Oh and I get it, totally, and with respect, I can assure you.

But then what? Surely the realities of First Past the Post system have to prevail? I cannot believe, for 1 millisecond- that you would prefe ERG far right Tories again, to Left of Centre electable Starmer. Because Tories again would be a tragedy and allow the final destruction of the NHS and so much more.

Because if Tories choose to go to elections early, as I think they might - Labour is NOT in any shape of form, presenting an electable opposition. And yes, Starmer is IN OPPOSITION- without any doubt in my mind, and pro NHS and State Edu, and Social Care and more. But NOT anti-business per se- and I agree. We want a fair society, where everyone counts and has basic standards and decent facilities- but I for one am NOT anti business, but anti tax evasion and exploitation, and that is NOT paternalism, but common sense.

Anniebach

trisher Blair and Brown gave us ‘New Labour’, they worked closely together, so you are calling Gordon Brown a Tory .

The only period Labour won three executive general elections,

The far left Labour Party gave us the Thatcher era and now
Boris Johnson.

And those governments left so much unchanged it was as if they never existed. No change on Union rights. No programme for council house building. No renationalisation of the railways. Continuing privatisation of the NHS. etc etc.

Should Starmer use Corbyn’s words when he was asked about
his attendance at the wreath laying ceremony for the terrorists
who murdered an Olympic Team ?

‘Yes I was there but I don’t know if I was involved’ !

Kali2

At the end of the day Trisher - would you have preferred Blair or Thatcher (and I am NOT talking about Irak here)?

Oh I voted for Blair Kali2 I'm not ashamed to admit I fell for the hype. The thing Starmer has to realise is that people won't fall for it again.

trisher Blair and Brown gave us ‘New Labour’, they worked closely together, so you are calling Gordon Brown a Tory .

The only period Labour won three executive general elections,

The far left Labour Party gave us the Thatcher era and now
Boris Johnson.

Starmer should stop attacking his own party and attack the Tories. He was voted in on a unity ticket and 10 pledges he soon abandoned them all. We all know Johnson is a liar now Starmer is a liar too and people who believe in democracy want a leader to do as they promised they would.

At the end of the day Trisher - would you have preferred Blair or Thatcher (and I am NOT talking about Irak here)?

Anniebach

Kali MayBee. You are in good company, trisher called
Gordon Brown, a Tory .

Did I? I think what I said was the only Labour government the right wing press would allow was a Tory-lite one. As I remember Brown was consistently mocked in the press for his dour looks. He never won a GE.
Now if you'd said I thought Tony Blair was a Tory you would be absolutely right-and so did Margaret Thatcher.

I think that by the time we get to the next election we will be looking at the calm, trustworthy politicians not the lot we've got.

Right now I can see why revolutions happen.

growstuff

Ilovecheese

But Labour M.P.s shouting out "no" is just as childish as Tory M.Ps shouting.

Glad she gave some more information of what could be Labour's intentions,

"finanancial assets, stocks and shares, sales of property, pension income, annuity income, interest income, property rental income, inheritance income"

That would be a much fairer solution.

But this is the same Rachel Reeves who wanted to cut benefit payments even more than the Tories.
I can't take what she says now seriously because of what she said in the past. How do I get over that?

If you vote Conservative, I would have thought you'd have had plenty of practice in getting over broken pledges and U-turns.

Yes, makes it very easy to vote for neither.

Did anyone hear Rachel Reeves on LBC about an hour ago?

Another Labour politician who can't answer a simple question about women and cervixes. She was so utterly flummoxed and couldn't even speak, it was embarrassing - I thought she was about to cry!

twitter.com/LBC/status/1442380463298027520

Kali MayBee. You are in good company, trisher called
Gordon Brown, a Tory .

Grany

Interviewing Starmer he was shown clip of people who when asked what they think of him as leader all of them said that they didn't know what he stands for and should be stronger against Johnson. Starmer's reply was well I was chatting to two taxi drivers had a good talk with them, What he should have replied was well I would tell these people what polices I have and how I would change things for the better.

Only he can't because he hasn't any and he won't change things. Well he might but only if a focus group tells him he has to.

Interviewing Starmer he was shown clip of people who when asked what they think of him as leader all of them said that they didn't know what he stands for and should be stronger against Johnson. Starmer's reply was well I was chatting to two taxi drivers had a good talk with them, What he should have replied was well I would tell these people what polices I have and how I would change things for the better.

MayBee70

lemongrove

I had hoped, that if the LP won the next GE ( they must do at some point surely!) then with Keir Starmer as PM and Reeves as Chancellor that meant a reliable duo.
However, with the far left nipping at their heels the whole time, will either of them be still in place in a few years ?
The last GE was a wipe out for the LP and yet the far left wish to repeat that ( seemingly).

But they can’t see it, can they? You should read some of the vitriol I get on Labour Party pages telling me I’m a Tory and it’s people like me that stopped Corbyn from being PM ( even though, as I keep telling them, I still voted for him and have probably been voting Labour since before most of them were born).

Same here - accused of being a Leftie all the time, and at the same time, a Tory by t'other side. It is actually stangely funny ...

After watching his performance on Marr this morning. This Knight of the realm, will lead the Labour party back into the wilderness.

lemongrove

I had hoped, that if the LP won the next GE ( they must do at some point surely!) then with Keir Starmer as PM and Reeves as Chancellor that meant a reliable duo.
However, with the far left nipping at their heels the whole time, will either of them be still in place in a few years ?
The last GE was a wipe out for the LP and yet the far left wish to repeat that ( seemingly).

But they can’t see it, can they? You should read some of the vitriol I get on Labour Party pages telling me I’m a Tory and it’s people like me that stopped Corbyn from being PM ( even though, as I keep telling them, I still voted for him and have probably been voting Labour since before most of them were born).