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Mamie

And a good John Lichfield summary here.
unherd.com/2021/09/whats-behind-macrons-fury/

Yes I read this article as well and I wish alot of the posters on here would read it through to the end instead of parrot phrasing a load of silly comments from the daily mail et al

Its 12 weeks old.

The article is not about Macron, its about Baune.

Nobody threw a tantrum.

The reportedly "cancelled" meeting hasn't been cancelled.

Just saying.

Alegrias1

This news is available in multi newspaper, not just the express.

I looked it up. This is not my opinion but fact.

Just saying

Really can't emphasise this enough.

What you read in the Express bears no relation to the real world.

Also, missing out important words from the article to make it look like it fits your opinion is not a good look.

It gets worse. Macron is also throwing a tantrum over Swiss Army buying fighter jets from the US.
His blood pressure must be off the scale

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1457200/emmanuel-macron-clement-beaune-france-switzerland-usa-defence-eu-news

Great article in the Telegraph, it is always good to get an opposing view, from all sources, not just one. Macron posturing with Biden at G7 was rather sickening.

nanna8

Three unwise monkeys. Biden, Morrison and Johnson. Biden is a warmonger, the others not so much but both of them doff their caps to him.

So much a war monger, he pulled out of Afghanistan.

PippaZ did you read the John Lichfield article I posted? There were problems with the roll-out of the contract partly because it was the Australians who asked for diesel originally, when nuclear was always possible. There was a meeting in August when issues with the five year old deal were discussed and both countries said they remained committed to the importance of the work.
In the meantime Australia had been secretly negotiating with UK and US for six months. Nobody told the French about the end of the contract and the authorities read it in the press before it was officially confirmed.
Whatever happened in the roll-out, this is no way to behave to an ally. France and Australia are neighbours in the Pacific, because overseas territories are counted as part of France. The implications for NATO are enormous.
A lot of people obviously thoroughly enjoy the popular sport of bashing the French, but in geo-political terms do serious people really think it is a good idea?

Three unwise monkeys. Biden, Morrison and Johnson. Biden is a warmonger, the others not so much but both of them doff their caps to him.

I don't agree Dinahmo. Biden seems to have his finger on the pulse of the world and the US, rather more than his predecessor did.

He is meeting with the UK Prime Minister tomorrow. Biden is a statesman which is more than can be said of our PM.

That is what is actually happening.

PippaZ Biden was referred to above. He seems to be forgetting more than he did before the election.

Callistemon

^My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.^

Surely if the terms of the contract are not met, there must be a clause which states that the contract shall be null and void ?

I think you are right Callistemon. The French should not be (and may well not be) surprised that, having not come up with the goods, the contract is void.

Some are here just to attack Biden. I think we may all be grateful for the fact that he noticed the politics. It was almost as if Trump had decided it was okay for Xi Jinping to just go ahead and do what he wanted to. He couldn't see that one day that might be very much to America's loss. I appreciate that he didn't care about other countries. However, sometimes you have to work with the most appropriate allies. He really is a very strange man.

Much of France's noise is for their home audience, as far as I can see. They are not going to turn round and say: "ah well, we didn't come up to scratch so it was bound to happen", are they?

I'm sure there were many ways for both sides to withdraw from the contract.

I don't think that "changing our minds about what we wanted then having secret negotiations with another country and keeping it quiet until it was too late then letting the French know via the media" was one of those ways.

A $60bn contract for subs is a bit different to signing on the dotted line to get your conservatory built.

railman

MerylStreep

Here you are Railman

makeitbritish.co.uk/made-in-britain/

Thanks Meryl - had a look through but disappointed that there were no electrical or electronic equipment items in there - quite a few of the decorative DIY jobs and clothing.

It's not very well marketed though, but a bit like that "Not On The High Street" website.

The UK used to have a wide range of primary, secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, including microelectronics, biodegradable packaging systems, computer technology and telecommunications manufacturers.

It is nice to see that some stuff may be produced here - but I guess Napoleon was nearer the mark with his profile of the English. Some very fine artisan purveyors of products - and maybe that's what the UK does best, not mass market, but quality, niche products.

Here is a much more comprehensive list of British Companies
Just to top up the other quality products.
uk.ezilon.com/uk/business/manufacturers/index.shtml also another interesting piece albeit from 2020.

www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-exports/

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Surely if the terms of the contract are not met, there must be a clause which states that the contract shall be null and void ?

It certainly seems as if it has been full steam ahead from the US administration. I must admit I am a glad they have noticed China's moves for supremacy.

Dinahmo

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

What on earth has that got to do with the OP?

From an article in the Sun.

railman

lemongrove

railman thank you for explaining that the French had a contract with Australia.....I would never have known that.

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Can we or they be trusted to hold to an agreement made in good faith.

It also raises questions over the American-led Nato alliance guarding Western Europe but long neglected and under-funded by EU states.
RAISE QUESTIONS
“This is a stab in the back,” moaned French officials as Macron retaliated by pulling ambassadors out of Canberra and Washington.
The French deal to build old-fashioned diesel-electric subs was already in doubt.
Australian PM Scott Morrison had signalled alarm over delays and rising costs.
Perhaps some of the reasons for the pullout.

Dinahmo

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

Ridiculous.

I wonder if the eu will stand four square behind Macron now that he’s threatened to block and veto the eu/ Australia free trade deal.

lemongrove

railman thank you for explaining that the French had a contract with Australia.....I would never have known that.

My point was really that Australia, like the UK now appears to renege on its contracts.

Can we or they be trusted to hold to an agreement made in good faith.

MerylStreep

Here you are Railman

makeitbritish.co.uk/made-in-britain/

Thanks Meryl - had a look through but disappointed that there were no electrical or electronic equipment items in there - quite a few of the decorative DIY jobs and clothing.

It's not very well marketed though, but a bit like that "Not On The High Street" website.

The UK used to have a wide range of primary, secondary and tertiary manufacturing industries, including microelectronics, biodegradable packaging systems, computer technology and telecommunications manufacturers.

It is nice to see that some stuff may be produced here - but I guess Napoleon was nearer the mark with his profile of the English. Some very fine artisan purveyors of products - and maybe that's what the UK does best, not mass market, but quality, niche products.

I'm wondering if during the run up to the US elections Biden was taking some kind of "pick me up" drug.

Several years ago we left an elderly dog in kennels for a few days. When we picked him up he was livelier then he'd been for some weeks but he quickly went back to his usual state and died shortly afterwards. Having stayed sometimes on a friend's farm and seen him give a poorly sheep a shot of something or other and the sheep became more lively we wondered whether our dog had been given something similar.

Could the same thing have happened to Biden?

Not so much that Biden ‘dropped’ Morrison’s name. I assume that he had an autocue, something he is well used to & now not doing so well.

His judgement, ability & capacity for Presidential leadership was questioned long before he stood for election.

Yet here we are.