A winter of very expensive heating and little food?

GC has woken from his nap so I will push him up to Aldi’s. Will report back on shelves/shortages, are pictures required as proof?

Jaxjacky

growstuff have you tried using a wholesaler? It does mean forking out a bit more up front though, but tends to be cheaper overall. I use these www.harvestfinefoods.co.uk/
Its being mooted that CO2 may be unavailable to stun animals prior to slaughter, so they may be culled and buried. Excuse my ignorance but ‘slaughtered’ or ‘culled’, it’s meat, so I don’t understand why, either way the animals are killed, they can’t enter the food chain?

The animals have to be butchered and kept in cold storage. Most farms don't have the facilities to do that. There will be some small farms who are licensed but I imagine that it is not economical for most of them.

Here in France there are some English farmers who rear pigs, have them slaughtered and butchered and make bacon, gammon and sausages on their farms. There are also several English people who keep a few sheep. When the time comes a licensed butcher will come to their homes and kill the animals and then prepare them for the freezer.

That’s good worriedwell ?

As far as the CO2 is concerned, I doubt that the government will allow this to be a problem for long ( if at all) so worries about farmers/ abattoirs having nothing to stun animals with will be unfounded.

lemongrove

Thanks for your reply worriedwell ?
The shortages seem to be regional in nature, and obviously where you live is at the far end of the scale.
M&S chocolate is wonderful ( I can’t have it unfortunately.)
My DD ( with a size 10 figure is a chocaholic and would be in a murderous mood if she couldn't buy any.?

My son has come round and he popped into Lidl and says they've had a big restock today. I'll have to pop over later and stock up.

GrannyGravy13

Those who are calling for utilities to be nationalised, this would mean that they would be run by the Government, the one that a lot of posters despise. Just a thought…

If they were to nationalise essential services, one might then think that they weren't quite as useless as we currently think they are.

I just realised a Kosher or Halal butcher isn't going to be much use with the pig situation.

Those who are calling for utilities to be nationalised, this would mean that they would be run by the Government, the one that a lot of posters despise. Just a thought…

I have a lot of respect for vegans. I live with a dairy farm at the back of my house and I think the dairy industry is as cruel as the meat industry, maybe worse. I hate it when the calves are taken away from their mothers. The cries from the mothers and the calves are heartbreaking.

Kosher not Kosh.

25Avalon

Home slaughtered animals can only legally be slaughtered after being stunned under Animal Welfare rules so back to square one.

There are exceptions though, Kosh and Halal? I don't think either allow for the animal being stunned.

FannyCornforth

Yes, a thread that mentions ‘expensive heating and little food’ in its title doesn’t promise much in the giggles and tickled ribs department

Quite.

Cherylrov Did you read around before you joined? It's usually a good idea to get a feel for a site before (a) deciding whether it's for you, and (b) telling people how to post.

Cherylrov

O my goodness joined this group for something interesting to read and some light entertainment whilst I have my morn8 g coffee but by the time the doom merchants and political activists have had their say I am exhausted and miserable. Come on people let’s remember there are good things happening too in this world.

And you can talk about them on other threads without telling the people on there what to do. Have fun.

Alegrias1

I'm going to comment PippaZ although we might get accused of being a double act

My vegetarianism is a personal choice and I'd never dream of criticising someone who wasn't veggie. DH isn't veggie! I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with people who eat meat or the farmers who provide it.

I wouldn't think of critising someone who is either Alegrais.

I do see the point when it comes to the climate crisis. On the other hand there are so many fruits and vegtables I can't eat (can't digest) that my diet would become even more difficult.

In his later years my father did say he wouldn't shoot deer and boar as he had done in his 20s. However, my parents were in Germany at the time and we had gone from "no fraternising" to "please make friends". He went out with some of the Germans who had become his friends and, as I said, shot for the pot. Even though this was a few years after the end of the war in Europe, many of their "pots" would have still been pretty empty. He was also a early forager - before the term was coined. He would take me mushrooming and also, when we lived near the sea, would bring home crustations - I never wanted to know about those. He also grew his own veg so he was more self-sufficient than green

FannyCornforth

Yes, a thread that mentions ‘expensive heating and little food’ in its title doesn’t promise much in the giggles and tickled ribs department

?

Yes, a thread that mentions ‘expensive heating and little food’ in its title doesn’t promise much in the giggles and tickled ribs department

Cherylrov

O my goodness joined this group for something interesting to read and some light entertainment whilst I have my morn8 g coffee but by the time the doom merchants and political activists have had their say I am exhausted and miserable. Come on people let’s remember there are good things happening too in this world.

If it’s light entertainment that you want I can’t understand how you have missed all the other threads as the vast majority are just like a woman’s magazine, giving entertainment and information by the bucket load.

Cherylrov or feel free to start your own thread!

I don't think you'll find much light entertainment on the News and Politics threads Cherylrov

But welcome to GN, I hope you find something to suit you.

O my goodness joined this group for something interesting to read and some light entertainment whilst I have my morn8 g coffee but by the time the doom merchants and political activists have had their say I am exhausted and miserable. Come on people let’s remember there are good things happening too in this world.

Thanks 25Avalon.

TBH, I think ways will have to be found.

You could always try the packing peanuts. Just check they are biodegradable.

idk Alegrias1 but there are very strict rules and regulations about slaughtering animals. Farmers can slaughter an animal for their own consumption and no one else’s. If they shot all their animals in the head, how would the carcasses be disposed of? BSE carcasses that are burnt are done so with strict controls. Burying in a lime pit? The health implications are huge.

growstuff

MaizieD

Anybody got a decent recipe for nettle soup and stewed chicken bones which doesn't require any fuel to cook? Maybe somebody can remember how to rub two sticks together?

Hay boxes, growstuff

www.woodland-ways.co.uk/blog/outdoor-cooking/making-and-using-a-hay-box-to-cook-in/

Excellent! Thank you! I'll just have to scavenge a few bins and get friendly with a local farmer.

You don't have to use hay, growsuff (but if we weren't 150 miles apart I could give you loads , things like expanded polystyrene packaging would be fine. Anything that's a good insulator. I've often thought about trying it myself, just out of interest. but maybe I'll have to do it in earnest this winter.

So what do the farmers mean when they say they'll have to kill the animals on the farm 25Avalon? Will they do it themselves or will they have to get someone in to do it?

Assuming we get to that situation, of course.