Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

So women now want to appear arsey?

Well I never knew couth was a word.

It's a proper education, this Gransnet. Ever so pleased I am, to be allowed to take part. Makes you proper grateful, so it does. ( reverses out, tugging forelock respectfully )

Chestnut

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

Thank you, Chestnut - I was trying to think of Alan Johnson’s name, as someone from a disadvantaged background, who came across as ‘couth’ and a gentleman - and I don’t mean that in any kind of class sense. As has been said, the best prime minister we never had.

I do think some women almost pride themselves on coming across as ‘arsey’, for want of a better word, and AR is probably one of them.

lemongrove

Some inverted snobbery making an appearance now.
You can grow up on a rough council estate ( I did) and still speak properly.

Who is to say what “properly” is though ?

Chestnut

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

Exactly this.

eazybee

What a pity she didn't make a lifestyle choice to get some education.
Her lack of it is very clear.

Wow. What an awful thing to say. You should be ashamed you even think like that let alone put it in writing.

eazybee

Uncouth means lacking refinement, grace, manners, sophistication, culture.

Sounds like our PM ?‍♀️

He also paid for the previous mistress to have an abortion and then still hadn't learnt about contraception in the meantime and she had subsequent miscarriage.

Urmstongran

I could be harsh back Riverwalk and say Boris’ progeny didn’t require state help in the form of benefits and/or social housing. The taxpayer who plays ‘dad’ in loco parentis in so many cases. No wonder it’s a lifestyle choice sometimes.

He hasn't taken financial responsibility for one of his has he? I thought he agreed to the new step father taking over that role. Is that any more commendable?

Galaxy

Lifestyle choices. Bugger me. That's my northern attitude coming out. At least she brought up her children, rather than the lifestyle choices made by Johnson which ensured that didnt happen.

Very true, his education and posh voice haven't made him a gentleman have they. He hasn't even got the decency to be embarrassed about his behaviour, bragging about his time in the delivery room. If anyone is uncouth it is him.

I came to the conclusion a long, long time ago that people are frightened of strong women - whatever their background. So any excuse to deride or humiliate them goes. It is every day misogyny.

She doesn't need an excuse.
Nobody needs to excuse who they are.

I think AR does come across as being uncouth and gobby, but coming from a poor working class background is no excuse. Alan Johnson came from the humblest of backgrounds but he is a real gentleman and has manners. I have huge respect for him (and I'm not a Labour voter).

No sight of it here, but then what use would it be to children who sound like they're from a rough part of Essex, anyway?
Innit bro?

He lied anyway, he said extra tuition was available in schools where children had fallen behind during the pandemic. It isn't at my youngest's school in a true blue constituency. So when will it be available?

Maudi

Well I'm from a working class background but please Angela Rayner having a go at Raab did herself and Labour no favours.

As I've noticed before - English people seem to prefer to be governed by posh boys, no matter how incompetent'.

She isn't using dialect as far as I could tell. I also have a regional accent but speak 'properly' ie without dialect. I do use dialect though, if I want to but not in the House of COMMONS because I don't work there

I thought I would join in with the general judgemental comments, but I can only do inverted snobbery, because I don't have the right accent to anything else.
Unpleasant though, isn't it?

Is she not speaking English?

Is she unintelligible?

Is she shouting and swearing in an unparliamentary way?

Sorry peeps, but this is the way people talk. Neither she nor anybody else needs to modify their speech nor tone of voice to please you. If you wouldn't vote for her because of the way she speaks, then it's you that needs to change, not her.

I'm a Brum, most people won't know that by hearing me speak but I can turn it on if I want to. Unfortunately, to some people, accents do matter (already had one person here say they don't like a Birmingham accent) so I'm not surprised that people tone down their accents and if communication is important, as it is in politics, seems like a sensible thing to do. I'm no less authentic as a Brum because I have an RP accent and the words that come out of my mouth are no different but at least I don't find people assume that I am poorly educated! If I were AR I'd tone down my accent, clearly it's stops some people taking what she says seriously and that is an issue! With regard to her having a child at 16, that's not a "life choice" that's just sad, she's had a tough start in life and risen above it. If she'd been born and brought up in a different home, she might not have had a child at 16, had a really good education and be just like all the other MPs, she brings a different life experience into politics and that's a good thing but she needs to make sure everyone listens to her, not just the few.

Some inverted snobbery making an appearance now.
You can grow up on a rough council estate ( I did) and still speak properly.

MissAdventure

Looks like we're stuck with a load of posh speaking twats then.

EkwaN it isn’t her Northern accent that most on here object to it’s her screechy voice and way of speaking.Most people have an accent of some kind anyway.

Looks like we're stuck with a load of posh speaking twats then.

It’s all about presentation these days seemingly. Angela Rayner’s working class northern accent makes her sound common and uncouth in some people’s eyes. I don’t like to hear her myself, not because of the accent but because of her rather screechy way of speaking. I think it would be difficult for her, if ever the leader, to win over the more prejudiced middle class voters.
I do think she has done very well to get where she is and must have a far better understanding of the problems, way of life and aspirations of ordinary folk than the current crew. Would I vote for her to be leader of the Labour Party were I in a position to do so? Probably not as I think she would be a vote loser due to the above mentioned prejudices.