Can someone please explain this to me please. Pregnant people’ -‘Not right to say only women have a cervix, ‘

VioletSky

I have spent a great deal of my life determined not to be defined by my genetalia so it feels like a giant step back when I receive the clear message that it's the thing that defines me most.

Exactly, it's vile isn't it.

Nope they will luckily just be men !!

So men will be bodies with penises ?

The Lancet has just realised a paper referring to women as bodies with vaginas

The Lancet has just realised a paper referring to women as bodies with vaginas.

I have spent a great deal of my life determined not to be defined by my genetalia so it feels like a giant step back when I receive the clear message that it's the thing that defines me most.

I hate the "only women have a cervix" thing. I don't have a cervix, plenty of women don't and many of us lost them in traumatic circumstances. I know it doesn't mean the same as if you don't have a cervix you aren't a woman but it makes me feel that way.

Very few people are ever going to check if you have a cervix so why go on about it.

I’m confused about the cervix issue. Does this mean that trans women are operated on so that they have a cervix?

10:30Kate1949

A group has recorded It's Raining Them instead of It's Raining Men.

Ha ha. Man in the Moon now Them on the Moon. Pretty Woman film now banned, Pretty Person.

And there was me thinking only a woman could get pregnant, well I never ?

If they were calling ALL their patients "people" instead of "women" I would agree that it was ridiculous, but the fact of the matter is that they are making provision for ALL patients to be referred to as they choose. We are asked routinely whether we wish to be called by our given name or as Mrs Name and that is added to our notes. This suggestion is just an extension of that. If a pregnant patient wishes to be referred to as a female, that is what she will get. If another patient wishes to be a person, that is their choice.

A group has recorded It's Raining Them instead of It's Raining Men.

Agree totally lavender

The media (as usual) have made a mountain out of a molehill. This will NOT APPLY to all patients in the pre-natal or the maternity ward, only to those who WISH to be referred to as "pregnant people" These are likely only to be those who have transitioned to men (or are transitioning) but either are pregnant when they decide to change, or become pregnant after they make the transition. Since legislation means that they can define themselves as a different gender from the one they were born, without any surgery or hormone treatment, it is still possible for them to become pregnant and give birth to a child.

If they have renounced their status as women, they obviously don't want to be referred to as "pregnant women". The vast majority of the patients will choose to be called "pregnant women" and the staff will call them that. ANYONE CAN ASK TO BE CALLED ANYTHING THEY WANT. This term is just a note to obstetric staff reminding them of this, and suggesting the term "pregnant people".

The whole thing is ridiculous!

I see nothing at all contentious about the pronouns people use, but certain terminology is confusing.

The Labour MP Rosie Duffield “liked” an online comment questioning the term “people with a cervix”, as a phrase meaning women and supposedly inclusive of trans women (it’s an odd one, though, as many (most?) trans women don’t have a cervix). It’s an issue that needs to be discussed because just for this she has received threats and abuse, and some reports say that this is why she’s not attending the party conference.

I find that phrase as useless as the one I came across on an NHS form when booked in for a bone scan. One section was to be filled in “by people with reproductive capability only”. I left it blank, being long past the menopause. Then had to fill it in on the day as “it means women” (said with a huge eye roll by a nurse who was tired of explaining this. Of course it had been pointed out by others before me that men have a role in the reproductive process as well……

I heard at the weekend from a midwife who was extremely irritated by being 'strongly advised' to use the terms birthing person (mother) and human milk (breast milk).

Then Kier Starmer's fatuous reply to Andrew Marr on Sunday: 'Saying only women have a cervix is not right, and something that should not be said.' Not defending his MP Rosie Duffield who is not attending the Labour Party conference because of threats she received whilst stating a biological fact, that only women have a cervix.

Today I read that HMS Albany and HMP Parkhurst, prisons catering for serious sex offenders, are planning to hand out pronoun badges so that the inmates (all male I believe) can indicate how they wish to be addressed: she/her, she/they he /they or 'ask me' in preparation for National Inclusion Week.
The Ministry of Justice and the prison have declined to comment or answer queries about this, si I am not sure that it is true.

My daughter works with someone who is trans. The term ‘they’ is their choice so they use neither he nor she. The organisation is fully behind this terminology.

I didn’t follow this particular occurrence but feel it’s become a huge issue because of the media (similar to the loo rolls and currently petrol). I do so wish our society was able to discuss matters without the huge emotions being expressed and the ensuing furore.

"Pregnant people" is a term that has been discussed previously on GN The search box should find the thread for you. Off the top of my head, I think it was said that it had been inserted into a guide for midwives on addressing patients as they wish to be addressed , so that they have an agreed term to use should they find themselves with someone who is pregnant but doesn't identify as female (it is a possibility) Women who are perfectly happy to be called women will still be referred to as they have always been.

‘Not right to say only women have a cervix, ‘ is a new one to me, but I suppose it follows on logically from the possibility that an ex-woman who now identifies as a man still has the cervix they were born with as a woman, unless they have had their female internal organs surgically removed. (They would be one of those who could still become pregnant, too.)

It's the same is using "their" "them" "they". Those have always been interchangeable to mean one erson or many but now people have forgotten.

I don't think anyone has been told they cannot use pregnant women anyway and this has been blown completely out of proportion.

Medical notes will say the sex people were born as and this just means that they won't be misgendered die to ignorance about the subject as medical staff will have had training on the right terms to use.

It really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things to allow people some choice over how they are referred to and no one expects everyone to suddenly get it or get it right.