Labour party conference, is no-one else interested?

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If the left is tiring of Labour, where should it put its energy next?
Zoe Williams

Not all change comes from Westminster. Meaningful politics is about persuasion – which happens at grassroots level

if you disagree with the Conservative government; if you find its worldview toxic and its agenda void of anything nobler than self-enrichment; if you take the climate crisis seriously and can’t stomach other people living in abject poverty as the mysterious but God-given price of being modern; if you look at Labour and see a party contorting itself into rightwing frames, then pleading with voters to give it a chance, because underneath it’s just a bit nicer, where do you put your energy at that point?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/left-labour-change-westminster-grassroots

Swawkbox ! We use to have many links from Voxpoc, !

Not a reliable source indeed Casdon and if I was those running You Gov I would be pretty annoyed. They don't even mention the conference. This was their regular voting intentions poll.

I don't like Johnson's politics or think he is running the country anything like efficiently or safely but to say the country is "imploding" under him really tells you all you want to know about this source.

I repeat I cannot find any reputable sources which have - or would have, to be honest - yet run their polls to find out how Starmer's speech and the conference have affected their voting. We may see some announced in the Sunday Press.

cross posts Casdon

Their = yougov's.

The Skwawkbox, a one-man operation apparently run by a Labour Party member from Liverpool. Not a reliable source.

Oooohhh I think skwawkbox are being a bit devious there....

Starmer's speech was on the 29th at 3pm. Their fieldwork was on the 28th and 29th September.

Judge that for yourselves.

PippaZ

^Labour’s polling has fallen after Keir Starmer’s ...-^

If this is true then why haven't you put a reference to the poll that says this. I haven't been able to find one so far. Is this an attempt to make us question reality? I don't think that will appeal to many people or put the far-left any higher up the polls.

I have found one poll that says Keir Starmer outperformed Mr Johnson's first conference speech in 2019

However I can't find one taken since the conference. Perhaps you could put a link on.

skwawkbox.org/2021/09/30/labours-polling-falls-after-starmers-speech/?fbclid=IwAR1UqNDj-fugDzjprAdE-cfKhvmqT1gyxSqprr71bX4H9zuP5pj1yLm76yg

Not sure if that's an answer to my 19:28 post Dinahmo, but I'll assume it is

The Bank of England is the central bank of the UK and the banks that were out of money were Halifax Bank of Scotland and the Royal Bank of Scotland

All are British Financial Institutions.

It is the Bamk of Englnd and they, after some discussion were instrumental in persuading the banks, including Lloyds TSB which was heading in the same direction as HBOS and RBS.

What I don't understand why these problems weren't fully recognised after the run on Northern Rock which was September/October 2007. I remember it well because we had just sold our cottage and put the proceeds into N Rock.
My DH was very worried about it although I was pretty certain that the govt would let it collapse because of all the knock on effects. We were supposed to be visiting some friends in Hampshire that weekend and I looked for a N Rock branch that would be on our route from Suffolk, having tried to transfer our money on line on Friday. I sat at my computer on Saturday morning and was able to connect to N Rock's banking system when they switched it on at 8.00am and was able to do the transfer. DH greatly relieved.

The English had already decided that it was necessary to re-capitalise the banks and they persuaded their counterparts that that was the right way to go.

Darling and Brown.

Just sayin'

The Daily Mail?

Re my post above. The sad thing is that I have written more or less the same post more than once in the past. I also think it's sad that people who profess not to take much notice of politics have a point of view, based upon what?

And it's not good railing at the electorate for not seeing that you're trying to do good for them...

trisher

I still would love to know how taking a failing company back into public ownership is better or different from nationalising the railways and how giving grants to energy companies to take on customers from failing companies is better than public ownership?
I suppose it's how you sell it- if Labour propose it, it's bad. If the tories do it, that's OK. Although as far as I can see the present system just lets people make profits and bails them out when they don't.

I keep saying it, trisher. Get into power and the electorate don't mind what you do so long as it doesn't cause them any bother.

We've plenty of posters on Gnet who only take a mild interest in politics (or none at all), those who only take an interest around about a GE. They're not into the minutiae of public v private ownership; they've no interest in political economy, they just respond the the slogans that they like best.

Some pragmatism is badly needed, I think.

I think you are spot on trisher

I still would love to know how taking a failing company back into public ownership is better or different from nationalising the railways and how giving grants to energy companies to take on customers from failing companies is better than public ownership?
I suppose it's how you sell it- if Labour propose it, it's bad. If the tories do it, that's OK. Although as far as I can see the present system just lets people make profits and bails them out when they don't.

I so agree that Labour should not have gone along with the idea that they were responsible for the GLOBAL financial crisis. I think that if Andy Burnam had spoken out against this he would have had a better chance of winning the leadership.

I admit to not being so involved in politics as some people are or reading and researching everything but then again nor do most people

Fair enough, rosie. It's instructive to know what people who aren't particularly interested believe.

Thanks for responding

All to do with bundles of subprime mortgages being traded with the banks having little knowledge of the risks they were taking. My nephew spent 48 hours basically locked in the treasury as part of the team trying to work out a solution, the country was in a very serious position and no-one knew if they could stop the banks going bust and they very nearly did. FWIW a lot of people would say that the Thatcher Govt led deregulation of the financial markets in 1983 was the main reason the banks got into a mess. Big Bang certainly helped to make London the financial capital of the world but it also allowed the banks to become involved in financial operations that exposed them to huge risks.

Probably not MaizieD I just remember it being a pretty grim time along with the financial loss and a personal loss which was far worse than any effect on the bank balance
I admit to not being so involved in politics as some people are or reading and researching everything but then again nor do most people

rosie1959

MaizieD

I just remembered the fallout and problems with the FSA and Gordon Brown admitting he had made a big mistake over the handling of financial regulations in the run up to the banking crisis

The USA, where the GFC started, that very model of that conservative ethos you so admire, had even less financial regulation. At least Brown acted very promptly to save us from financial disaster.

I remember it being pretty disastrous but we survived many didn’t
Now we have plenty of financial regulations

But I don't think you're giving Labour any credit for saving the situation. We were coming out of recession when Labour lost office. The tories plunged us straight back in again with their idiotic 'austerity'.

MaizieD

^I just remembered the fallout and problems with the FSA and Gordon Brown admitting he had made a big mistake over the handling of financial regulations in the run up to the banking crisis^

The USA, where the GFC started, that very model of that conservative ethos you so admire, had even less financial regulation. At least Brown acted very promptly to save us from financial disaster.

I remember it being pretty disastrous but we survived many didn’t
Now we have plenty of financial regulations

Thank you for that excellent presentation of the truth Dinahmo [Fri 01-Oct-21 12:19:21]. Sadly some don't want the truth as it spoils their beliefs.

I just remembered the fallout and problems with the FSA and Gordon Brown admitting he had made a big mistake over the handling of financial regulations in the run up to the banking crisis

The USA, where the GFC started, that very model of that conservative ethos you so admire, had even less financial regulation. At least Brown acted very promptly to save us from financial disaster.