Wayne Couzens

There are other innocent victims of this crime. The children of Wayne Couzens, who will grow up fatherless and knowing that their father committed such a heinous crime.

Sarah Everard's parents, friends and family can talk of their loss and rightly have the sympathy of everyone. Couzens' children will have to hide away, move house, go to new schools, possibly change their names. When he killed Sarah Everard, he also killed his children and sentenced them to a life of silence lies and subterfuge so that no one ever knows who their father is.

Anniebach

His colleagues were male and female.

Should Cressida Dick be expected to vet 32,920 police officers ?

Well people have to be vetted in other lines of work. My husband has to have DV security clearance for his job and they ask you whole manner of questions and statements, including that of a sexual nature. You are encouraged to be as open as you can be. Maybe I am naive as I thought similar vetting processes happened in the police too.

MOnica I too have been thinking about his children, if he has
a son he can change his name but does he remain silent about
his father when/if he marries.

Yes JaneJudge but should Cressida Dick be expected to carry out the vetting herself ?

Anniebach

MOnica I too have been thinking about his children, if he has
a son he can change his name but does he remain silent about
his father when/if he marries.

So the sins of the father. Are you saying his possible son will be so tainted. This discussion should be finished. He has been sentenced and ifs whats but and maybes are not going to help Sarah’s family.

You don’t have to join this discussion Lincslass

Lincslass So not only are we to have deserving and undeserving poor, we are now to have deserving and undeserving victims as well.

No one would deny that Sarah Everard's family and friends are the primary victims of this terrible crime, but that does not mean that we can dismiss the sufferings of the victims of the collateral damage that arise from this crime, who are just as innocent as the main victim.

Anniebach

Yes JaneJudge but should Cressida Dick be expected to carry out the vetting herself ?

Did anyone suggest that she should?

This is yet another failure of the Met police that she is being excused for. I suppose it's just in keeping with the 'never resign, never admit responsibility' ethos of our government and its officials. She's just had her contract extended, which was disgraceful in itself.

Anniebach

His colleagues were male and female.

Should Cressida Dick be expected to vet 32,920 police officers ?

Nobody remotely suggested that, however she is at the top and as such bears responsibility for how the organisation is run.

If a school teacher assaults a pupil the headmaster/headmistress should resign ?

If procedures and reasonable safeguarding hadnt been followed, yes.

Galaxy

If procedures and reasonable safeguarding hadnt been followed, yes.

Precisely

Anniebach

If a school teacher assaults a pupil the headmaster/headmistress should resign ?

Absolutely, if the teacher hadn't been properly vetted. It's the head's responsibility to make sure systems are in place and enforced and one of the things Ofsted checks.

And to guide the culture of the organisation. Something which is often forgotten but in my view is the most important part of a leadership role.

There was a programme about children of the Nazis and how it affected them, living with such a dreadful legacy. It not only affects the children but the grandchildren. They live with a terrible guilt and it causes mental problems which are hard to resolve. Some consequently decided not to have children themselves. Knowing your father or grandfather was a murdering monster is going to affect those children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives.

JaneJudge There are strict vetting processes in the Police Service with several layers of a person's history both personal and employment obtained. How the Met's Vetting Team processed his application is beyond me! Internally am sure this is being investigated but as they say the buck stops with Cressida Dick.
?for Sarah's family and friends.

Thanks for your post Bea65

Then the vetting team should be sacked and this is what Cressida Dick should do.

Several past events are now appearing online news which clearly flagged up the kind of man he is. No action was taken by the police. Had it been Sarah would be alive today and possibly others as investigations continue. And maybe, a big maybe Couzens would have got some treatment.

Dick should resign

Are all those on his WhatsApp group being disciplined or sacked?

The real problem is that the police are institutionally misogynistic and racist.

Where is Patel she should be on all the news outlets

Visgir1

Wonder how long he will last in a Prison? Ex Policeman, Rapist and Murderer??

I hope he lasts a very long and very miserable time, why cut short his punishment?

Whitewavemark2

Are all those on his WhatsApp group being disciplined or sacked?

The real problem is that the police are institutionally misogynistic and racist.

Where is Patel she should be on all the news outlets

Completely agree and yes, Dick should be sacked and while we’re at it so should Patel. Completely useless the pair of them.

I really hope that whatever any enquiry discovers that we get to know why he wasn't arrested and charged after twice exposing himself in McDonalds. His number plate was on CCTV.

This was just a couple of days before the murder.

Was he even questioned?

So many posts I wholeheartedly agree with - but then, could anybody honestly say otherwise.
I just hope that the old adage “Lessons will be learned” will add up to more than a row of beans this time ?