Conservative party conference outcomes

Brexit benefits include eating fish on Christmas Day by candlelight.

Kali2

If one side refuses to abide by the Deal they have negotiated, word for word, and signed- then the other side is quite clearly allowed to take steps themselves.

Or trigger Article 16.
I think we just might by Christmas.

lemongrove

Unsure who you are ‘aiming’ at Kali but I have always said there would be difficulties in the first few years.You cannot undo 40 odd years worth of being in the EU bloc without teething problems.We will come through it, but yes it will take time.
‘Perfid Albion’ as you term it, will do just fine in the long run.

This seems more than "difficulties".

No one voted for what is being forced on us. This was not what was in the Conservative manifesto. Nowhere, between the jokes at election time, did this appear.

The heading on a pro-Conservative "summary of the day" email I receive was Can BoJokes get us through winter? Can he lemongrove? You seem to think you know all about it. Do share.

Johnson is now abandoning all the previous Conservative governments, denying that there was anything good in them; I would probably agree with him but do all the Conservative voters? There was a small aside for Thatcher's destructive government - what an example! Interest rates of 17% for a start. Is that what is now Conservatism?

You don't get it do you? Difficulties after Covid were to be expected as it was so often badly handled at the cost of the lives of the old, the vulnerable and those caring for all of us.

But we were told that any difficulties with the changes we made to have Brexit were all about political heckling - just project fear. Because of the political choices of this New Conservatism, it seems it's going to be even worse than predicted.

We have certainly seen the sleights and duplicity used against our allies and the treachery used against our democracy. Perfidios Albion is well coined at the moment, sadly.

Lucca

Lincslass

Let’s face it after stealing our AZ supplies, 5 million of them, after denigrating it to the whole world, France is in no moral place to blackmail a country. Who says we are in breach, oh yes France
theusposts.com/stop-moaning-france-has-more-uk-fishing-licences-than-rest-of-eu27-combined-report/

Why has France been brought into a discussion about Johnson and the others at the conference? I’m confused

Don’t be Lucca.
It’s turned into a Brexit-bash!

Every single Leave campaigner said it was going to be EASY.

Just STOP trying to tell us that leave voters knew it would be difficult. Because that makes it even more infuriating; that people actually voted to make things worse

Sorry to raise your blood pressure MaizieD but I was definitely another one who said there would be bumps in the road but WORTH IT!

- as an aside.
Re fishing by the French.

The small French boats switched off their tacho- wotsits (that record their catches etc) so couldn't produce the evidence needed to the Jersey government to fish.

Because they’d been norty!

Short term gain and all that.
Now they’ve come unstuck!

Sod lack of turkeys & the (silly) proposal by a French Minister to cut off electricity supplies ... I’d happily eat FISH on Christmas Day instead by bluddy candlelight.

Thank you all for your replies and for the few actual answers to my question.

I hear what people are saying about Covid meaning that the Conservatives couldn't follow their original plan for Brexit. That said, Covid has been around for 20 months or so now - surely time to make alternative plans based on new information. In times of emergency surely quick thinking and decisive plans and actions are the way forward.

The PM has today told us what his aims are. I just wonder if anyone is clear how those aims are going to be achieved. All very well to say 'levelling up'. 'high skill/high wage' - but where and what are the plans for turning this into reality? Where are the costings, timescales, measurable objectives and desired outcomes? What is to be our role in this? What is actually required of businesses? When will we know when we've achieved the aims and what will that mean for the country? What will the tangible benefits be and for whom?

Build back better sounds a bit 'playgroup' to me. When are we going to get the bit for the grown ups?

Well - this is from the Daily Mail? That is encouraging.

Yes, realised I'd forgotten that massively important bit!

When the Telegraph and most of the Tabloids turn against Johnson, you know it won't be long!!! (sent to me by a friend, I do not have acces to the DF!)

Copy and paste from the Daily Mail, so you don’t have to visit the site:

“The Prime Minister's Manchester Tory conference speech was packed with gags and almost devoid of new policies with only a cursory mention of the multiple crises gripping the country from the cost of living and petrol station queues to supply chain chaos and the potential slaughter of 150,000 pigs because of a lack of butchers. Millions are facing a financial squeeze because of inflation driven by labour shortages, rising energy costs, a lack of HGV drivers and gaps in global supply chains as it was revealed already hard-pressed already families face paying £1,700 more for energy by April and an extra £1,800 for other essentials by Christmas .Matthew Lesh of the Adam Smith Institute said: 'Boris' rhetoric was bombastic but vacuous and economically illiterate. Shortages and rising prices simply cannot be blustered away with rhetoric about migrants.' Mark Littlewood of the Institute of Economic Affairs, said: 'Unnecessarily restricting the supply of labour may lead to wage increases, but these will be passed on in price increases. A strategy to make things more expensive will not create a genuinely high wage economy, merely the illusion of one.' One critic who watched the speech said: 'Britain burns while Johnson fiddles'. As Mr Johnson told a bewitched audience of party members, MPs and minister of his vision for a 'high wage, high skilled, high productivity' economy, the price of wholesale gas surged by £1 a unit to 400p per therm - up 37% in a day and now 600 per cent higher than the start of 2021, making it inevitable that energy bills will soar for British households and companies in the coming months. And in more bad news, National Grid's chief executive John Pettigrew told the FT that Britain will face tighter electricity supplies this winter due to a lack of capacity in the system and a colder winter predicted, which means the cost of electricity will increase as gas prices spike to record high.”

Kali2

some of us would argue that you don't sell your essential services and utilities to your nearest neighbours, then totally alienate them after spendig years negotiating a Deal, word for word, clear as a bell, and sign it.

Perhaps?

Then after you've negoiated on the deal, threaten to renege on it!

Kali2 That was it.

Lucca I've just looked back to see what I was responding to. Can't find anything so I was either thinking I was on a different thread or I had a brain storm. Either way I was arguing with my DH about ordering something over the internet!

some of us would argue that you don't sell your essential services and utilities to your nearest neighbours, then totally alienate them after spendig years negotiating a Deal, word for word, clear as a bell, and sign it.

Perhaps?

If one side refuses to abide by the Deal they have negotiated, word for word, and signed- then the other side is quite clearly allowed to take steps themselves.

Dinahmo

Kali2 France is now threatening to cut electricity supplies to the UK and Jersey over fishing licences. Apparently the UK govt are acting in breach of its obligations over fishing access to Channel waters.

This was mentioned a couple of hours ago Lucca by Dinahmo.

Lincslass

Let’s face it after stealing our AZ supplies, 5 million of them, after denigrating it to the whole world, France is in no moral place to blackmail a country. Who says we are in breach, oh yes France
theusposts.com/stop-moaning-france-has-more-uk-fishing-licences-than-rest-of-eu27-combined-report/

Why has France been brought into a discussion about Johnson and the others at the conference? I’m confused

rosie1959

Kali2 I didn't keep anything quiet as you put it I voted remain

In which case, I am happy to apologise, sincerely.

No politician, NOT a SINGLE one, told us in the campaign that Brexit was going to be a pain in the a*se- NOT one.

And no-one here on GN either.

I'm sure that is true GG13, from what you write.

But I think it is also true that the "Europeans hate us" story does the rounds fairly regularly, sometimes disguised as a story about the French trying to con us, sometimes about how the Germans want to run our country. Sometimes about how they all want to punish us for leaving the EU.

Its all fantasy.

Alegrias1

Alegrias1

I suppose its a comfort blanket:

Well, other countries have it bad as well. Well there's been a pandemic. Well the Europeans hate us. Well my life is fine.

Nothing that I did made the country descend into crises, nothing the beloved leader did is making it worse.

Must be somebody else's fault. Couldn't be mine.

Shall we tick them off as they come?

Number 1 - The Europeans hate us.

I do not hate Europeans or Europe

I do not think Europeans hate the British or the U.K.

Alegrias1

I suppose its a comfort blanket:

Well, other countries have it bad as well. Well there's been a pandemic. Well the Europeans hate us. Well my life is fine.

Nothing that I did made the country descend into crises, nothing the beloved leader did is making it worse.

Must be somebody else's fault. Couldn't be mine.

Shall we tick them off as they come?

Number 1 - The Europeans hate us.

Let’s face it after stealing our AZ supplies, 5 million of them, after denigrating it to the whole world, France is in no moral place to blackmail a country. Who says we are in breach, oh yes France
theusposts.com/stop-moaning-france-has-more-uk-fishing-licences-than-rest-of-eu27-combined-report/

Boris Johnson's conference speech fact-checked

While we're on the topic of bending the truth to suit your agenda and using statistics to befuddle people. Seems like you can believe about 1 in 6 things that he says.

My favourite fairy tale is the trade deals one.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/58818531

We were told we would be better off from day 1 with the £350 million a week we pay to those foreigners, loads of people believed that, I know a few of them - the deal was going to be easy we would have a Norway style deal and still be in the CU - what happened to those promises?, all these hindsights "we knew it wouldn't be easy" a real example of cognitive dissonance. "Oh the sky hasn't fallen in" seems to be the best they can say - well the sky didn't fall in when we were EU members - in fact we were the most prosperous we had been in decades so much fantasy talk.

Kali2

lemongrove

rosie1959

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

In one word no
Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years
Covid has thrown a right spanner in any forward planning they didn’t expect to have to pay our a humongous amount of money just to keep us afloat
They couldn’t have planned for Coronavirus back in 2019

Spot on rosie ????

Wow you kept quiet on that one then? Why did you not warn us? Why did they all says there would be no downsides and only upsizes? Did they write this on a bus?

No, I don't think so.

Covid was and is a factor that did NOT help- that is for sure. But the vast majority of the real nasty issues the UK faces, is due to the kind of Brexit which the ERG pushed Johnson into.

And you do realise that Brexit has NOT been fully implemented yet? If the UK unilaterally goes for Art 16- then all hell will let lose.

Remember Raab- geography and all that. And essential utilities and services now in the hands of the very countries this would utterly alienate. If this is what you are advocating- then is it irresponsible and utter madness.

Warn you ? I voted remain

Kali2 I didn't keep anything quiet as you put it I voted remain

I suppose its a comfort blanket:

Well, other countries have it bad as well. Well there's been a pandemic. Well the Europeans hate us. Well my life is fine.

Nothing that I did made the country descend into crises, nothing the beloved leader did is making it worse.

Must be somebody else's fault. Couldn't be mine.