Conservative party conference outcomes

MaizieD ?

Alegrias1

To those parroting the line that nobody ever said that we'd be able to unpick 40 years of a political union in 9 months. Did nobody tell this lot?

I wonder why they said that, if it wasn't true? It couldn't have been to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters, could it?

They're just unspeakable, Alegrias. Can't accept what a mess they voted for.. Making stupid excuses.

To those parroting the line that nobody ever said that we'd be able to unpick 40 years of a political union in 9 months. Did nobody tell this lot?

I wonder why they said that, if it wasn't true? It couldn't have been to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters, could it?

The U.K. will recover and will thrive, but as many others have posted you cannot un-pick a 40 year political union in just over nine months.

No, but you seem to e able to unpick a huge market pretty damn fast...

Statements like yours just make me see red, GG13.

The 'unpicking' should have been done over a realistic period of time, before we left, not in one fell swoop in the middle of a global pandemic. It should have been carefully prepared for.

Every single Leave campaigner said it was going to be EASY.

Just STOP trying to tell us that leave voters knew it would be difficult. Because that makes it even more infuriating; that people actually voted to make things worse

And no, we're not going to thrive. That's another fairytale.

Kali2

Perfid Albion will feel very lonely and vulnerable then - to be sure.

Urmston, glad you enjoyed coffee. But be honest, coffee, time or no time- you had no intention to answer, oder?

I posted about meeting other GN members for coffee.

I did answer what I thought of party conferences

As for Brexit, in case you hadn’t noticed there has been a worldwide pandemic, for instance there are so many container ships anchored off of American Docks that they are forecasting empty shelves, logistical problems (lack of HGV drivers) for weeks to come, so it’s not just the U.K. having problems regardless of what foreign press you read or the many anti-Government/anti-Brexit threads on GN.

The U.K. will recover and will thrive, but as many others have posted you cannot un-pick a 40 year political union in just over nine months.

GrannyGravy13

Fifth post in and Nuremberg Rally is mentioned, I think that must be a record!

Can’t help themselves, can they? Behind in vaccine programme, too many won’t have, wonder how much that was down to macron and the eu decrying vaccines, mainly the British developed AZ. Now we hear this from a left wing paper so story should be acceptable.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-stole-astrazeneca-vaccine-uk-b1933287.html

Unsure who you are ‘aiming’ at Kali but I have always said there would be difficulties in the first few years.You cannot undo 40 odd years worth of being in the EU bloc without teething problems.We will come through it, but yes it will take time.
‘Perfid Albion’ as you term it, will do just fine in the long run.

Kali2 France is now threatening to cut electricity supplies to the UK and Jersey over fishing licences. Apparently the UK govt are acting in breach of its obligations over fishing access to Channel waters.

I am not waiting for sunlit uplands what ever they are

Well man of the moment Mr Rees Mogg promised us sunlit uplands.

Doesn't age well, does it? 1:15 for those who can't bear to listen to the whole thing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlR1R_vxBB8 (with subtitles)

twitter.com/GMB/status/1445627079970590728?s=20

so well said.

And with hospital now having to ration cancer treatments due to lack of staff, and huge worries about shortage of key cancer treatment isotopes for chemo, and other essential drugs.

And still they support Johnson's cruel, destructive selfish, nasty clownish rhetoric. Unbelievable.

Perfid Albion will feel very lonely and vulnerable then - to be sure.

Urmston, glad you enjoyed coffee. But be honest, coffee, time or no time- you had no intention to answer, oder?

lemongrove

rosie1959

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

In one word no
Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years
Covid has thrown a right spanner in any forward planning they didn’t expect to have to pay our a humongous amount of money just to keep us afloat
They couldn’t have planned for Coronavirus back in 2019

Spot on rosie ????

Wow you kept quiet on that one then? Why did you not warn us? Why did they all says there would be no downsides and only upsizes? Did they write this on a bus?

No, I don't think so.

Covid was and is a factor that did NOT help- that is for sure. But the vast majority of the real nasty issues the UK faces, is due to the kind of Brexit which the ERG pushed Johnson into.

And you do realise that Brexit has NOT been fully implemented yet? If the UK unilaterally goes for Art 16- then all hell will let lose.

Remember Raab- geography and all that. And essential utilities and services now in the hands of the very countries this would utterly alienate. If this is what you are advocating- then is it irresponsible and utter madness.

lemongrove

rosie1959

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

In one word no
Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years
Covid has thrown a right spanner in any forward planning they didn’t expect to have to pay our a humongous amount of money just to keep us afloat
They couldn’t have planned for Coronavirus back in 2019

Spot on rosie ????

They ignored the operation (Cygnus?) regarding the possibility of a pandemic. Let PPE get out of date. There was always the chance of a pandemic. Things like that should be factored into long term planning especially when you persuade the country to do something as far reaching as leaving the EU. But then this has always been a reactive government, not a proactive one. For a start Gisela Stewart on this very forum told people that our fuel bills would go down if we left the EU. That didn’t go well, did it…

MaizieD

rosie1959

MaizieD

Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years

No it wasn't, rosie. Any 'pain' foretold was shouted down as 'Project Fear'.

Just my opinion Mazie nothing than big was going to be smooth and no I didn’t vote to leave I voted to remain

So how long are you prepared to wait for the sunlit uplands?

Do you seriously think that it is going to get any better?

I am not waiting for sunlit uplands what ever they are
Will it get better well who knows I trust UK business to sort its self out
I have also just got back in so haven’t caught up with the latest news

GrannyGravy13

Haven’t listened to it, been out with some Gransnetters for a coffee (multiple) and a lovely catch-up.

Having been to many conferences over the years (Charities) they preach to the converted, socialise and generally have a good time.

I will judge by actions/deeds as opposed to words, and that goes for all parties…

You are right. All party conferences are like meetings of a cult, preaching to the converted. Sound bites, little substance

I wouldn’t think £3k would be much of an incentive for maths and science teachers to move to a deprived area .

Haven’t listened to it, been out with some Gransnetters for a coffee (multiple) and a lovely catch-up.

Having been to many conferences over the years (Charities) they preach to the converted, socialise and generally have a good time.

I will judge by actions/deeds as opposed to words, and that goes for all parties…

rosie1959

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

In one word no
Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years
Covid has thrown a right spanner in any forward planning they didn’t expect to have to pay our a humongous amount of money just to keep us afloat
They couldn’t have planned for Coronavirus back in 2019

Spot on rosie ????

The boldest decision they seem to make is doing nothing and taking £20 per week off the poorest in society.

Whitewavemark2

Well that was a load of puffery, incoherence and self indulgent populist rubbish.

Much like the Labour Party Conference then.....and any other Political Conference.?
They all big each other up and make a variety of bland and aspirational statements.

Nope. I haven’t time.

So - I’m prepared, tentatively, to give Boris the benefit of the doubt given Covid… the speech hit the right notes for me, but by no means is my vote guaranteed at the next election. Let’s see some action towards delivering.

It’s not as if I can do anything until the next GE anyway.

Would care to reply to the question asked above, however?

Well somebody must have liked his speech - sterling against the euro has just gone up!
£1 fetches €1.18 this afternoon.
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A warning to those sensitive souls who don't like this newspaper - taken from the Guardian

Boris Johnson’s speech - snap verdict

One of Jeremy Corbyn’s aides once told me that Corbyn always gives essentially the same speech, and it is true. That’s why, despite his huge popularity with his fans, no one has ever published a volume of his collected speeches. Boris Johnson’s hero is Winston Churchill, whose collected speeches used to be an essential item on any well-stocked bookshelf in a home in Britain. But that will never happen for Johnson because, like Corbyn, he basically just gives the same speech every time. The jokes may evolve, but the performance is the same.

As usual, there was no attempt to place the speech in any context, to relate it to what is happening in the world today. There was only a cursory mention of the fuel crisis, and no reference to the universal credit cut happening this week, A host of serious problems sitting on the desk of the PM, like the Northern Ireland protocol, were ignored completely. Johnson showed no interest in sustaining an argument much further than could be compressed in a tweet. As usual, the whole thing sounded like an impromptu after dinner speech; this is a classic Johnson conceit, although, of course, to convincingly sound improvised takes a lot of rehearsal.

But what you do get from a Johnson speech are jokes and positivity. This speech had only one tiny announcement (see 11.57am), an audacious argument about the economy that he has been making all week (see 9.17am) and some fresh, pro-nimby spin on levelling up (see 9.56am). The critique of Keir Starmer as a hijacked cruise liner captain (see 12.09pm). But in so far as there was political substance in it, it was smothered in fluff, cheery Tory waffle. This is what the Conservative party was voting for when they made Johnson leader, and most of them seem to still like it.

Johnson’s critics will despair that the prime minister of the day can deliver a speech so shallow. What they object to most is Johnson’s lack of seriousness. But the danger is that they are making a category error. One of the secrets of Johnson’s success has been to view politics not so much as statesmanship, but as a branch of the entertainment industry (he applied the same approach to journalism), and to gamble that excessive geniality and positivity trumps everything. History and common sense suggest that at some point reality experienced by 65 million people will prevail, but Johnson’s approach has worked for him so far and perhaps it will for longer.

Crikey, I bet Therese has a headache today