Conservative party conference outcomes

Maizie I know brownfield sites have been talked about for years but it's not going to happen because the developers much prefer greenfield sites. Unless of course the govt gives them shedloads of money to clean up brownfield sites.

None of it's going to happen. I heard all the speech and all the promises but apparently the only policy that is real is an additional £3000 to science and maths teachers to move to underprivileged areas. Lots of jokes that got the delegates laughing.

Has anybody else heard Therese Coffey singing "The Time of My Life" last night? Insensitive or what?

The only little bit I hang on to is that Johnson is lazy and a liar, and probably can't be arsed to put any of his pie in the sky into practice. I haven't been able to bring myself to watch today so far, any reports on what pearls of wisdom are dripping from the lips of Mrs Johnson?

JaneJudge

There was something about it that made me deeply uncomfortable. I just keep thinking of that Years and Years program on BBC.

Exactly! I couldn't put my finger on what he reminded me off, now I know.

No mention of the biggest cut of all

Well that was a load of puffery, incoherence and self indulgent populist rubbish.

There was something about it that made me deeply uncomfortable. I just keep thinking of that Years and Years program on BBC.

rosie1959

MaizieD

Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years

No it wasn't, rosie. Any 'pain' foretold was shouted down as 'Project Fear'.

Just my opinion Mazie nothing than big was going to be smooth and no I didn’t vote to leave I voted to remain

So how long are you prepared to wait for the sunlit uplands?

Do you seriously think that it is going to get any better?

Dinahmo

Just listening to Johnson - Tories are going to change the economic model following "decades of decades of drift and dither"

The delegates are lapping it up.

He's describing a rainbow fantasy land. Now talking about building homes - on brown fields sites. I can just see the developers going along with that. Far too expansive.

Windbag, Dinahmo. He's not actually capable of implementing any of it...

Using brownfield sites isn't exactly a new and revolutionary idea, it's been around for years.

Just listening to Johnson - Tories are going to change the economic model following "decades of decades of drift and dither"

The delegates are lapping it up.

He's describing a rainbow fantasy land. Now talking about building homes - on brown fields sites. I can just see the developers going along with that. Far too expansive.

MaizieD

^Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years^

No it wasn't, rosie. Any 'pain' foretold was shouted down as 'Project Fear'.

Just my opinion Mazie nothing than big was going to be smooth and no I didn’t vote to leave I voted to remain

Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years

No it wasn't, rosie. Any 'pain' foretold was shouted down as 'Project Fear'.

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

It was certainly Dominic Cummings' plan. Throw everything up into the air and see where it lands.

It also suits the ERG, who wanted the hardest of hard Brexits , who stymied May's 'deal' and who are the tail wagging the dog of this government.

Johnson is just a bag of hot air who suits them to be PM at the moment because, I think, they recognise that he is incapable of changing any of his, much vaunted by some, 'liberal instinct' driven soundbites into reality because he hasn't the faintest notion of how to lead them into agreement. But he keeps them in power because of his (waning) populist appeal.

The narrative coming from the conference is populist authoritarian and and destructive of any notion that the state should care for its citizens. Nothing liberal about the tories at all.

No, despite being that object of hate and derision, a Conservative voter, I’m not looking for anything in particular from the conference. I think all parties’ conferences are just an excuse for a beano fuelled by hot air and a holiday from Parliament for those MPs not attending.

Kali2

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

In one word no
Brexit was always going to be a pain in the arse especially over the first few months/years
Covid has thrown a right spanner in any forward planning they didn’t expect to have to pay our a humongous amount of money just to keep us afloat
They couldn’t have planned for Coronavirus back in 2019

Will anyone, just anyone- irrespective of political persuasion or attitude to Brexit- believe Johnson and co that this diabolical mess we find ourselves in, was actually THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG.

Anyone?

We're fast becoming the sick man of Europe.

love0c

However, Johnson is still the favourite to win the next election. I am no fan! There is still no other realistic, fair and intelligent political party to take on the conservatives. Hence, the Conservatives will be in again.

He should be during and after a conference, shouldn't he?

He is setting himself up as a "New Conservative" the past, with or without Conservative governments, was not good enough, he will say. Never mind if you voted for Thatcher, et al. He is going to change things -whether he has been given our democratic vote to do so or not.

Meanwhile, his Chancellor still stands for business (not "businesses" as they weren't consulted) as usual. They each come from an entirely different stance.

This should be interesting, especially when we have the return of inflation - a given under Johnson's dream.

Good post kali

Full article

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-fantasy-world-of-boris-johnson?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND++202110005++Facebook++SM+CID_b93525a58a252508be7b9d41a87aad33

Excellent article in The Spectator:

''So many stories. As the audience looks back down the years, they will remember the story of Johnson saying ‘there will be no non-tariff barriers to trade’. His deal would ‘allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends.’ (Exporters order books have collapsed.)

They will remember Johnson harrumphing to the House of Commons that ‘there is no threat to the Erasmus scheme,’ and any MP suggesting otherwise was ‘talking through the back of his neck'. (Erasmus has now gone.)

And they will remember Johnson’s story to the fishing industry that Brexit would allow it to catch ‘quite prodigious quantities of extra fish.’ (It hasn’t.)

Older readers will remember Johnson warning in 2016 that Turkey would join the EU if they did not support Brexit and 77 million Turks could be coming here ‘without any checks at all’. (Five years on and there still isn’t the smallest possibility that Turkey will join the EU.) They may even remember Johnson saying, ‘I didn’t say anything about Turkey in the referendum’. (He did.)

Back we go until we reach the founding myth of the Brexit campaign that all warnings about the dangers of believing a word Johnson said were ‘Project Fear’. He would make ‘this country the greatest place on earth’. We would overtake France and Germany and our children and grandchildren would live ‘longer, happier, healthier, wealthier lives’.

Perhaps Conservative voters start each day afresh willing to believe today’s story even as yesterday’s is discredited; perhaps the audience at the Conservative party conference will listen as eagerly as the Sultan listened to Scheherazade and never want the web of fantasy to snap. As their country sinks around them, they will applaud their unreliable narrator and prove the wisdom of the words of One Thousand and One Nights: ‘People need stories more than bread itself’.

Or petrol, or fish, or exports or an honest prime minister.''

However, Johnson is still the favourite to win the next election. I am no fan! There is still no other realistic, fair and intelligent political party to take on the conservatives. Hence, the Conservatives will be in again.

Whitewavemark2

What is becoming clear from the speeches and various interviews this week is

“Johnson's Tories are the enemy of farming, the enemy of the poor, the enemy of business, the enemy of law, the enemy of health, the enemy of education, the enemy of truth, the enemy of diplomacy, the enemy of democracy, the enemy of community and the enemy of the British people.”

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What is becoming clear from the speeches and various interviews this week is

“Johnson's Tories are the enemy of farming, the enemy of the poor, the enemy of business, the enemy of law, the enemy of health, the enemy of education, the enemy of truth, the enemy of diplomacy, the enemy of democracy, the enemy of community and the enemy of the British people.”

But it’s going to be a high wage economy ( for some) and the way to do is to suffer soviet style shortages and hardships. Look how well East Germany are doing now? (oops no they are in the EU and so must be badly off). Well this is the policy they only dreamed up about 2 weeks ago when the supply chain crisis was beginning to show. The idea that immigrant workers are all low skilled and low paid is just ridiculous and should be challenged . Look at all the consultants in the NHS and private sectors, bankers, scientists, dentists etc etc