Many of us were dubious about the Oven Ready best ever deal ..

But growstuff said her sister couldn’t do it Kali2??

Does this seem draconian- what if EU peeple want to join family in the UK in their autumn years?

Much easier indeed for UK people to go to EU.

Urmstongran

Shows how welcoming we must be in the UK. Do we refuse visas for prospective elderly residents from Europe on health grounds?? I don’t think we do.

In fact I’m horrified the EU does growstuff. Is that even the case if elderly people wanted to live in Europe to be with family in their autumn years? That seems draconian.

The last point I made was about your comment above. It is very difficult for EU people to come and retire in the UK- and if they can't get health insurance, due to age or pre-exisiting conditions, just impossible.

Living in France after Brexit
So hopefully, I have been able to reassure you that it is perfectly possible to still move to France after Brexit and to continue living in France if you decide to stay here. Brexit has made the process a bit more complicated (and expensive), But this is where the rubber hits the road with Brexit. I never believed that there would be some calamitous, cliff-edge impact following Brexit. Instead there will just be these small bureaucratic hurdles that the UK will need to overcome. But for the average person, we can continue to live and work in Europe, it just means that we have more forms to fill in and we need to be a bit more organised.

(I will try & post the link).

The point being- EU people who want to live in UK have to have private health insurance. In the UK, privat insurances will either charge massive amounts to cover over 70s, especially with pre-existing conditions. Most will just exclude those conditions, or just refuse them. Without insurance, they have to pay 150% of the cost.

Result - for many, it would be just impossible. Plus of course proof of sufficient income. So the idea that anyone can waltz in to the UK and retire, is just WRONG- and much more difficult than t'other way round, in so many ways.

Moving to Spain as a Retiree
If you are looking to retire to Spain, you will need to abide by the below conditions:

Prove you are healthy and that you pose no serious risk to the public
Prove you, or the main earner, has a monthly income of €2130 (approximately £1,846) and an extra €532 (approximately £461) for each dependant
Demonstrate the ability to maintain this income for one year
If you are receiving a UK state pension, request an S1 form (previously E121) from the Overseas Healthcare Team. If you receive an exportable DWP benefit, you can apply for an S1 form from the office that pays your exportable benefit.
If you are eligible for an S1, you are also eligible to apply for a UK-issued European Health Insurance Card (EHIC).

I suppose retirees must show they have sufficient monthly funds to pay for private health insurance as they haven’t contributed to a European system. My sister draws down monies over from the sale of their house to pay for their private health care. She had Stage IV breast cancer diagnosed 4 years ago and requires monthly medications and regular scanning. I think she told me that once they’ve paid taxes in Spain for a couple of years (not forever) they can transfer across to the Spanish healthcare system.

Elderly residents from Europe do have to have Health Insurance now to move to UK- if they have pre-exiting conditions this may well be impossible. They also need a mimimum income which is quite high.

Shows how welcoming we must be in the UK. Do we refuse visas for prospective elderly residents from Europe on health grounds?? I don’t think we do.

In fact I’m horrified the EU does growstuff. Is that even the case if elderly people wanted to live in Europe to be with family in their autumn years? That seems draconian.

GrannyGravy13

MerylStreep

My ex husband retired to Spain after Brexit and 2 friends have just completed on a holiday home.
We bought a property outside of the eu. It’s not easy but it can all be done.
We never took a penny out of that country. But we did add £150, 000 + to the economy in 5 years.

Anything is possible if you think ^outside of the box^

No, it isn't.

My sister and her husband were refused a visa as a result of his health. End of. No box for them.

My friend can't move to Germany because her health insurance would be prohibitive. No box for her either.

My son can't spend a year as an Erasmus student. Same story.

Scientists and research projects aren't getting EU funding and jobs are being lost. No boxes.

I'm actually very angry about it all, especially when it hasn't affected those who caused the situation one jot and they couldn't care less about anybody else.

You can think outside the box all yu want- but not really about the Laws and regulations of the country you want to retire to.

Holidays are a different matter.

It is still 'possible'- but much more complicated and all sorts of limitations- much more so depending on the country. Access to Health care, keeping bank account in UK, pension indexation, driving licences, proof of minimum income, and so so much more. The main issue will probably be exchange rates when Brexit if fully implemented.

A huge difference between 'just about possible' and 'simple and safe'.

MerylStreep

My ex husband retired to Spain after Brexit and 2 friends have just completed on a holiday home.
We bought a property outside of the eu. It’s not easy but it can all be done.
We never took a penny out of that country. But we did add £150, 000 + to the economy in 5 years.

Anything is possible if you think outside of the box

My ex husband retired to Spain after Brexit and 2 friends have just completed on a holiday home.
We bought a property outside of the eu. It’s not easy but it can all be done.
We never took a penny out of that country. But we did add £150, 000 + to the economy in 5 years.

MaizieD

^Maybe better ‘brain dead’ than permanently angry ?^

You know what, Ug, you have no idea how much I'm restraining myself from posting an answer to that ???

Shoot MaizieD.
It can’t be any more hurtful than what Alegrias said about me upthread.

Why is it impossible to emigrate there?
My sister & her husband did so 14 months ago.
Sold up here.
Have taken up full residency there.
Bought a property behind Estapona.
Pay their taxes there.

Emigration is still possible

I refuse to wear sackcloth and ashes for my choice of vote. It was well thought out and very considered. I read a lot as much as I could. I’ve never been on Facebook so wasn’t influenced there as some posit. Pros and cons. Decided to vote Leave.

Posts crossed. HUGE difference between holiday and living/retiring.

Kali2 it is not impossible to retire to an EU Country, there are just more forms to fill in.

and as said, has little to do with local Spanish life or people, but spends time there with other expats and holiday makers

Whilst spending our hard earned pensions there Kali2 a fact that is much appreciated by the Spanish bar owners and staff we have become friendly with.

We don’t use their healthcare system.
We take annual private insurance.
We don’t want to take their jobs.
We just spend some money out there.
And enjoy the sunshine and lifestyle.

Brexit hasn’t stopped any of that.

GrannyGravy13

Oh for goodness sake what is wrong with having a second home/holiday home wherever it happens to be.

Folks are allowed to socialise/mix with whoever they like.

Of course, that is NOT the point. The point is that there is a big difference in how people are affected, depending if they want a second home for a holiday, which is still possible. or to retire there- which is now almost impossible!

Maybe better ‘brain dead’ than permanently angry ?

You know what, Ug, you have no idea how much I'm restraining myself from posting an answer to that ???

growstuff

Playa Inmigrantes ingleses isn't for me.

Have you been there?

Have you lived there for any amount of time?

Snobbery in whatever form is extremely ugly.

Oh for goodness sake what is wrong with having a second home/holiday home wherever it happens to be.

Folks are allowed to socialise/mix with whoever they like.

Oh god. Not again.
I’ve gone into this so many times over the years! I can hardly bear to keep repeating it.

I voted to Leave because the EU are in my opinion, a corrupt bunch, fat on the gravy train. Most unelected. Don’t go there. You’ve tried & im not convinced. VdL is a great case in point.

Workers from Europe kept UK wages down. There’s now no denying that and I really wanted our own young ‘uns to earn decent wages, be offered apprenticeships etc. Too many firms (hauliers for example) took on workers. Our own lot tried to earn money but in the UK the standard of living is high - rents & mortgages for example. Workers from within the EU were coming over, sending their wages home (Sterling to euro was doing really well) and their economies were poor, stagnating. Poland, Latvia etc.

Oh do you know what? I’m going to stop.
I’m even sick of hearing myself justifying my vote all over again.

I wish I kept it from 5 years ago.
It was very detailed.
Then I could just cut and paste now.

I had loads more reasons.
I just can’t type them all out now.

I often think about the British woman who complained to the Holiday Company and wanted a refund, because there were too many Spanish people at her Hôtel, and thought the Spanish should go elsewhere!

Remember her?

I have to say when we go to Tuscany, the few French people who go to our resort make a beeline when the staff tell them I speak French and can give advice on where to go and what to do in area (we have been going there for 15 years now) - as they are surrounded by Brits and Americans speaking English only among theselves.