Many of us were dubious about the Oven Ready best ever deal ..

Playa Inmigrantes ingleses isn't for me.

Kali2

growstuff- urmstongran only wants to go on holiday, not live there- and as said, has little to do with local Spanish life or people, but spends time there with other expats and holiday makers.

We have many friends who bought a property for holidays, and intended to retire there when the time came- but now find that their dream is no longer possible- and their property not worth much currently as expats return and prices have fallen heavily.

I know. That's why I would hate to live there.

growstuff- urmstongran only wants to go on holiday, not live there- and as said, has little to do with local Spanish life or people, but spends time there with other expats and holiday makers.

We have many friends who bought a property for holidays, and intended to retire there when the time came- but now find that their dream is no longer possible- and their property not worth much currently as expats return and prices have fallen heavily.

Urmstongran

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
?
A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

I doubt if there are many people whose lives haven't been affected by Brexit. Most people don't live in bubbles or on fluffy clouds.

How is THAT playing the ball, not the man' !!!

No green eye monster and envy from me for sure. Many of us Remainers do have 'privileged' lifestyles- yes even some of us who lean quite a bit left of centre- hands up- guilty as charged + a lot more. And want to keep bridges open with Europe for our youngsters, and want excellent education not just for our grand-children, but for all children, Same for health, environment, and so much more.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran I guess there are folks who are envious of your lifestyle.

Please don’t let them get to you

I'm not the slightest bit envious. I would truly hate to live there. It's the lack of awareness of other people's situations and the twisting and avoidance of facts which annoy me.

Urmstongran

growstuff

So if Brexit hasn't altered your life one jot, why do you continue to support something which has altered many people's lives? Why didn't you stick with the status quo?

I had one vote.
As did you.

So what's your answer to the question? Why did you vote for something which hasn't changed your life one jot?

Urmstongran

Alegrias1

Even just the simple choice of retiring to Europe for warmer climes but not too far from family has been destroyed for many.

But you know Welshwife, some can still pop over to Spain on a regular basis to get their top up of Mediterranean sun in their second home, so its all OK really.

(Just to be clear, that's sarcasm)

Why be mean?
We downsized!
Many people could choose to do what we did. The value of both properties is only the same as an average semi-detached.

So much I’ll feeling on here sometimes about our two ‘bijou’ places. It’s quite doable. If you choose (and own a semi or large terraced house).

No, it's not "doable" since the health care regulations changed. It completely stopped my sister's plans to retire to Spain because she can't get a visa without healthcare. Brexit has completely scuppered her plans. Healthcare is also a factor why a friend can't live in Germany with her partner of many years. I won't go into detail, but it was their plan since before the referendum, but they just can't do it now.

You really should check out some facts.

growstuff

So if Brexit hasn't altered your life one jot, why do you continue to support something which has altered many people's lives? Why didn't you stick with the status quo?

I had one vote.
As did you.

So you are smarting and hurt? This is a great shame.

How do you feel this makes others feel tbh

''Maybe better ‘brain dead’ than permanently angry ?
So many moaning Minnie’s on these Brexit threads.''

really?

Urmstongran I guess there are folks who are envious of your lifestyle.

Please don’t let them get to you

So if Brexit hasn't altered your life one jot, why do you continue to support something which has altered many people's lives? Why didn't you stick with the status quo?

Actually Alegrias whilst I was frying some liver just now I thought over what you’d just said.

It really hurt my feelings.

Hey ho.

But it just shows that Brexit hasn’t altered my life one jot. So it’s not me being smug. Just honest.

I won’t put a smiley face. I’m still smarting to be honest. There you go.

Bullseye. Hit the target.

What’s that guff spouted on here sometimes about ‘playing the ball not the man’?

So a plus (for you) but a negative (for him) MerylStreep.
Thank you.

Urmstongran
I’ve given it a lot of thought, and there’s only one thing that’s different: I see more of my dearest friend who’s not allowed to work in Spain for as long as he would ?

Alegrias1

^Even just the simple choice of retiring to Europe for warmer climes but not too far from family has been destroyed for many.^

But you know Welshwife, some can still pop over to Spain on a regular basis to get their top up of Mediterranean sun in their second home, so its all OK really.

(Just to be clear, that's sarcasm)

Why be mean?
We downsized!
Many people could choose to do what we did. The value of both properties is only the same as an average semi-detached.

So much I’ll feeling on here sometimes about our two ‘bijou’ places. It’s quite doable. If you choose (and own a semi or large terraced house).

MaizieD

Urmstongran

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
?
A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

But you're describing the practically brain dead, Ug! Who wants to be brain dead?

Maybe better ‘brain dead’ than permanently angry ?
So many moaning Minnie’s on these Brexit threads.
(Okay not you per se WWmk2 with family jobs affected but I’m assuming they’ve found other employment now anyway? And there are other dentists. NHS too!)

Fleur de Sel de Bex is great too and closer to me.

Kali2

Fleur de Sel de Guérande will do the job really well- so no need for British salt, I can assure you.

The Japanese make good whisky too.

Scones

Not a Brexiter, but trying hard to answer your question with something more serious than my previous attempt. I can only think of specific products that are desired because the producer does such a wonderful job. An example would be Maldon Salt. I have relations in France and Australia who buy this because they think it's the bees knees. That's not to say other countries can't produce their own fabulous salt.

Can't think why. There's plenty of sea salt and fleur de sel produced in France. They're slightly different types.

I have just been having a bit of a top up of my non existent tan this morning - lovely sun but not that warm here now. The leaves are everywhere on the ground outside but some trees and bushes are a glorious red.
I feel so for the young couples with families who see their wages being eaten away by rising prices and trying to cope with keeping the family fed and clothes warmly and good shoes for the children.

I know loads of people whose lives have been impacted negatively by Brexit. Jobs lost, people who have emigrated, inability to source certain goods, huge price rises, NHS workers who have left etc etc so stop the pretence it’s all fine for everyone just because some people don’t care.

Even just the simple choice of retiring to Europe for warmer climes but not too far from family has been destroyed for many.

But you know Welshwife, some can still pop over to Spain on a regular basis to get their top up of Mediterranean sun in their second home, so its all OK really.

(Just to be clear, that's sarcasm)

Urmstongran

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
?
A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

Those whose jobs have been lost to Brexit? My daughter has a lot of friends who have been made redundant, or emigrated.

Those who are at home without the care they need?

Those hospitals in crises because of staff shortages. A friend whose operation has been cancelled 5 times because of staff shortage.

Greater difficulty in getting vet appointments because the EU vets have returned to the EU. Personal experience.

My gorgeous Portuguese dentist gone back to Portugal.

The list goes on and on

But you see ug I don’t operate on a “I’m alright Jack” basis. I see the U.K. as a community where we can all thrive or fall together.

Urmstongran

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
?
A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

But you're describing the practically brain dead, Ug! Who wants to be brain dead?