Many of us were dubious about the Oven Ready best ever deal ..

But it isn’t just us is it? - there are many people who have found their working lives and patterns totally destroyed or altered - don’t you have any feelings about them and how it has affected their families or destroyed peoples’ dreams? Even just the simple choice of retiring to Europe for warmer climes but not too far from family has been destroyed for many.
On a personal note I have now needed to stop sending small gifts to U.K. and told the family to stop sending to us due to customs complicated declarations and various extra charges. I have the solution of sending direct from a uK site such as Marks or Amazon but not so easy for them.

Urmstongran

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
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A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

Me. DH. My farmer friend. My former colleagues who have lost their jobs. My friends and colleagues who went home to their EU countries.

Thought of a new one. DP whose pensions are now worth less because of price rises.

Like I've told you before.

You can keep asking all you like, with your little smiley faces, but the answer will always be the same.

How many of us can HONESTLY say, hand on heart, that if they didn’t read the news, avidly scroll through toxic Twitter etc that their lives are actually any different by much post Brexit. Really?
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A few I expect. Some. Others with anecdotal tales to tell. But actually themselves? Not many.

But is it a good deal for U.K.? It certainly looks like a good deal for both NZ and OZ but at the expense of our farmers. Both countries have farmers cock-a-hoop over the deals and how they can increase their flocks and herds over the 15 years it will take to fully implement the deal.
From the sidelines it looks as if the farmers in the U.K. have been told they have 15 years to sort themselves out with alternative methods or just give up. What happens to the supplies in U.K. if there are any disasters - natural or otherwise - which interrupt the supply chain?
Thatcher got rid of most of British industry and Britain has gone from being a producer to simply a buyer and a workforce of white collar workers and a large part of the population jobless because they do not fit in with the jobs available.

Welshwife

The new deal with NZ looks to be very much a one way deal with tariff free imports on meat etc to the U.K. and with discernible goods going to NZ. U.K. farmers are once again not being listened to and will be competing against cheaper imports which have not had the same strict rules for producing the meat.
Listening to Johnson on the world news last night he was listing all the things NZ would sell to U.K. and did not mention ONE product going from the U.K. to NZ!

NZ are reducing tariffs on cars and other manufactured UK products, our farmers are being paid more for environmental projects so they don’t produce as much food.

Surely the impact on the environment is less if we import and export to countries nearer to home. However good the deal Australia and NZ are so far away. How does this fit in with the government's green initiatives? Either I have this wrong or not enough is said about this.

It’s not straightforward because there is a reciprocal element, one of which was meat, we sell a lot of sheep meat to the EU, at the same time a lot of beef from Ireland is imported, there was very quickly an agreement in that area. Other commodities are still being negotiated, that’s what we signed up to, if we had said “no deal” the negotiation would still have to be done.
In the end we did back down from no deal because even the most clueless hard liners knew how much more chaos that would cause

The new deal with NZ looks to be very much a one way deal with tariff free imports on meat etc to the U.K. and with discernible goods going to NZ. U.K. farmers are once again not being listened to and will be competing against cheaper imports which have not had the same strict rules for producing the meat.
Listening to Johnson on the world news last night he was listing all the things NZ would sell to U.K. and did not mention ONE product going from the U.K. to NZ!

As said, I have been racking my brains trying to get a list together of what the EU would not be able to source and exchange internally. Apart from Whisky connoisseurs and Scottish Single Malts- can't think of anything, Can you?

Most are not connoisseurs and will be quite happy to buy Irish Whiskey anyhow.

Urmstongran

Maybe you’re right Kali2 and European countries will stop importing from us here in the UK. Time will tell.
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At this stage it’s all conjecture isn’t it?

No it isn’t conjecture it is happening. Businesses are finding exporting to the EU much more bureaucratic than before brexit, with all the expense that entails, the goods that are being exported to the EU are subject to the full force of border checks, and many people in the EU finding our goods are more expensive, so will turn to others sources.

Goods being imported from the EU are given complete freedom, no bureaucracy, no border checks or extra expense. Our businesses cannot compete with such unfair practices.

This is very slowly turning the screw on British businesses.

Not really conjecture, just common sense.

If the UK cannot be trusted, and paperwork, transport, costs, tariffs- make things so difficult- why bother buying from the UK- if you can just buy and sell easier, cheaper, friendlier as partners, from each other.

Maybe you’re right Kali2 and European countries will stop importing from us here in the UK. Time will tell.
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At this stage it’s all conjecture isn’t it?

It is a specific issue if before Brexit there was no paperwork, restrictions and tariffs- and suddenly there are.

As said, EU 27 will just sell and buy to each other- and not buy from UK.

Tariffs increase the cost to the consumer who then chooses if they want to buy that product or a local alternative. Some countries have very high tariffs on imported luxury products. Others are anti dumping tariffs to protect home industries, not particularly an EU issue because it is even more contentious with the US and many others.

The list shows what is being currently exported from UK to EU- but it does not have to be. Europe can quite easily import/export to each other for those on your list. They did so from the UK when they were partners, and when transport was easy and cheap, and no redtape, taxes or checks, no delays at ports, no tarifs. Now it has got so complictated, if the UK slaps tariffs, then they will just stop buying from UK and just buy and sell from each other. As said, I can't think of any product they could not just stop buying from UK- apart from good Malt Whisky.

Yes, I did mention whisky from Scotland as the only thing I could think about.

But most connoisseurs will be quite happy to pay extra for a great single Malt- and others will just buy Irish Whiskey.

Fleur de Sel de Guérande will do the job really well- so no need for British salt, I can assure you.

Urmstongran
I knew you’d be the one to throw them some fresh meat, bless you ?

I saw that list Urmstongran and was going to post it, but then remembered the question is, 'What produce would EU 27 not be able to provide for each other?' and realised that nothing on the list fell into that category.

That should be ‘whisky’ for Scotland of course! ???????

Seems whiskey is way down the list!

www.statista.com/statistics/1118016/largest-exports-goods-commodities-of-united-kingdom-uk-and-the-eu/

Not a Brexiter, but trying hard to answer your question with something more serious than my previous attempt. I can only think of specific products that are desired because the producer does such a wonderful job. An example would be Maldon Salt. I have relations in France and Australia who buy this because they think it's the bees knees. That's not to say other countries can't produce their own fabulous salt.

It would be really helpful if some of our Brexiters could help here, they must have some ideas. Please (and thank you).

Hot air?

Spin?

Spam?