Brexit finally being recognised as one of the causes of the crises

growstuff

HolySox

Have read a lot of vitriole towards the current government on this forum... cronyism, elitism, running the show for themselves. But the British people voted for Brexit and this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!
Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour. But Labour didn't want to do the will of the British people and were surprised they lost by a landslide. They are either idiots or fanatics. If fanatical they would likely have followed their own whims, looked after their mates (used to be unions) and probably made just a big a hash of things.
Would be nice to see a party that offers a viable alternative for the British voter...

Your impression is wrong - and, no, I don't forgive you.

It wasn't 'the will of the British people'. I wish people would stop quoting from the fascist instruction manual. It was the will of 37% of the British electorate. It wasn't 'the will' of nearly 17 million people.

It was a referendum which has been acknowledged to have been so faulty that, had it been mandatory (obliged in law to be implemented) it would have been overturned and rerun.

Move up ladies, I'm joining the spitters...

About the onslaught I mean

Urmstongran

No anecdotal stories as in ‘my neighbour says’ ... but I do seriously wonder how many of us have truly been severely impacted by Brexit? I haven’t.

And that’s not being smug.
Just honest.

Me for one. I can no longer work in Europe. I'm now in the same category as Americans. Far too hard to get visas for.

When I worked in Spain, I ONLY got the job (last minute application) because the school couldn't get a visa for an American they had recruited 4 months before. Now I'm in the 'can't get a visa' category.

GagaJo

JenniferEccles

Honestly will you ever give up this onslaught?

So we're supposed to ignore the dire mess it's left the UK in are we?

Again….if I say something like that on the Meghan threads I get into awful trouble !

growstuff

Alegrias I'm sorry to hear you lost your job. Thinking further, I know somebody who worked for the EMA and lost her job, so that's four people so far - but - hey, what does it matter? Some people got their sovereignty! I'm spitting too!

Thank you growstuff

Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour.

And a majority of 4% isn't a landslide.

Like most things Brexit, just some made up statistics and "impressions"

HolySox

Have read a lot of vitriole towards the current government on this forum... cronyism, elitism, running the show for themselves. But the British people voted for Brexit and this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!
Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour. But Labour didn't want to do the will of the British people and were surprised they lost by a landslide. They are either idiots or fanatics. If fanatical they would likely have followed their own whims, looked after their mates (used to be unions) and probably made just a big a hash of things.
Would be nice to see a party that offers a viable alternative for the British voter...

Your impression is wrong - and, no, I don't forgive you.

I just wish I knew what this 'greater good' actually is. Because it sure as hell isn't manifesting itself in any way at the moment.

Alegrias I'm sorry to hear you lost your job. Thinking further, I know somebody who worked for the EMA and lost her job, so that's four people so far - but - hey, what does it matter? Some people got their sovereignty! I'm spitting too!

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

It's the younger people who have had their opportunities narrowed. Thinking of younger people, I've just remembered another person (a young one) whose life has been very severely impacted by Brexit.

Urmstongran

No anecdotal stories as in ‘my neighbour says’ ... but I do seriously wonder how many of us have truly been severely impacted by Brexit? I haven’t.

And that’s not being smug.
Just honest.

Not anecdotal, but I know two people whose lives have been very severely affected/. by Brexit.

HolySox

Have read a lot of vitriole towards the current government on this forum... cronyism, elitism, running the show for themselves. But the British people voted for Brexit and this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!
Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour. But Labour didn't want to do the will of the British people and were surprised they lost by a landslide. They are either idiots or fanatics. If fanatical they would likely have followed their own whims, looked after their mates (used to be unions) and probably made just a big a hash of things.
Would be nice to see a party that offers a viable alternative for the British voter...

I'm in Scotland. We didn't vote for this sh**show.

The only thing that keeps me sane is the prospect that we'll sail off into the sunset and leave you all to stew in your juices.

Sorry, Remain Grans, but that's how I feel.

Those of us who wanted to remain in the EU should blame Brexit, where blame is due, in order to highlight the lies we were told by BJ and his cronies. They have made a mess of our British way of life and need to be voted out at the first opportunity.

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

I actually went and hung out the washing before I answered this, to let the anger subside a bit.

How dare you? Just how dare you?

The greater good? Maybe I'm old and ready for the scrap heap, but the 120 people put out of work when the company closed down ranged in age from about 20 to about 60. The premises are still standing empty, so rent lost, area becoming run down because there's nothing to replace us.

DH can no longer employ people. Usually it was young people at the start of their careers. Ah well, greater good and all that. Gave his premises up, so its standing empty too.

The majority will not be advantaged and as for thinking about the younger people, well the ones I know aren't exactly hanging out the flags to celebrate the disaster that awaits us.

Your really have no idea.

This is why I'm not friends with any Leave voters.

I’m pretty sure that their stance against Brexit isn’t purely due to personal reasons

No, but it can’t help.

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

That’s unfair. Yes, many people have been adversely affected by brexit but I’m pretty sure that their stance against brexit isn’t purely due to personal reasons. Everyone I know who were anti brexit could see how bad it would be for the country as a whole. And we’re seeing the effects now. The ‘friends’ I’ve lost over brexit were people that had, throughout the years, thrown racist comments into conversations which I had ignored so I don’t miss their friendship.

Have read a lot of vitriole towards the current government on this forum... cronyism, elitism, running the show for themselves. But the British people voted for Brexit and this government stepped up to the plate and got the job done. Democracy in action!
Forgive me but I get the impression most 'remain' posters here are also anti government as they vote Labour. But Labour didn't want to do the will of the British people and were surprised they lost by a landslide. They are either idiots or fanatics. If fanatical they would likely have followed their own whims, looked after their mates (used to be unions) and probably made just a big a hash of things.
Would be nice to see a party that offers a viable alternative for the British voter...

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Same with DD. Works for a global pharmaceutical - saw hundreds of jobs go. Site she was working on broken up and gone to various countries in Europe. Many if her friends lost their highly paid, highly skilled jobs. Those that were able went to Europe or back home to Europe. All those skilled people lost.

DD now works remotely for their HQ.

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Urmstongran

Your post confused me DiscoDancer?

Which bit?

Your post confused me DiscoDancer?

No anecdotal stories as in ‘my neighbour says’ ... but I do seriously wonder how many of us have truly been severely impacted by Brexit? I haven’t.

And that’s not being smug.
Just honest.

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

Who on earth would expect everything to run perfectly smoothly after a massive change like this

Take your pick.

www.indy100.com/news/brexit-no-deal-quotes-boris-johnson-david-davis-dominic-raab-8463121