The EU and Poland are on a collision course.

For those who love facts though...it’s true that the number of Remain voters added to the can’t be arsed ones and the not allowed to vote ones does tot up to 50 million.?

I remember a few years ago some on here wetting themselves with glee silly, inflammatory language there vegansrock. Are you hoping to get a rise out of some posters?

The 50 million either weren’t allowed to vote or couldn’t be arsed to vote.No good quoting what they would have done.
All that mattered was the vote by those eligible to do so.
This can’t be said enough times!

I didn’t say there were 50 million remainers just that 50 million of the population didn’t vote to leave. I wish people would read the text and not make things up. Macron has never said the French would vote to leave either - something else made up. I remember a few years ago some on here wetting themselves with glee when Italy voted in a right wing coalition as they were sure Italians were desperate to copy the Uk and descend into into economic chaos. Didn’t happen. I’m not sure why leavers are bothered about Polish or Hungarian politics since the U.K. has no longer any influence in those countries. Seems they are obsessed with the destruction of others’ lives as they can’t bask in the sunny uplands of Brexit since there have been no tangibles benefit for the U.K - quite the opposite, it has cost us enormous sums, far more than membership - caused unnecessary shortages of goods and labour, caused social and political division , threatened peace in Ireland - I could go on. Mind you Kent has benefitted with a massive concrete lorry park over their countryside and their sky is lit up so much they don’t need lights on at night.

Yes, I do.

lemongrove

Alegrias1

If we had a referendum tomorrow on the death penalty, it would probably be brought back.

The wisdom of crowds isn't all its cracked up to be.

I was simply questioning your last sentence, regarding a future referendum in Scotland.

So you agree that there should be a referendum on independence?

Alegrias1

I suppose its one thing to vote to make your own country poorer and weaker, but to be gleeful, and to hope for the demise of the biggest and most successful peace-making project in the history of Europe, takes a special kind of thoughtlessness.

I know it's really weird.

Whether or not you agree that the UK should have left, it's beginning to sound like your drunk aunt, calling you in the middle of the night shouting "I got divorced! It's bloody marvellous. You should do it to" and collapsing into sobbing.

Alegrias1

If we had a referendum tomorrow on the death penalty, it would probably be brought back.

The wisdom of crowds isn't all its cracked up to be.

I was simply questioning your last sentence, regarding a future referendum in Scotland.

lemongrove

So if the people of Scotland vote to leave the Union....will they be wise or crackers?

Do you have any friends who were in an unhappy marriage, got divorced, and now have found happiness with a new partner?

I'm thinking we should just go for UDI.

"The will of the people" is another phrase that really scares me.

But maybe a fair point Alegrias? The will of the people and all that -v- the ‘we know what’s in your best interests’ brigade.

Oh here we go...

So if the people of Scotland vote to leave the Union....will they be wise or crackers?

Well what a surprise ! didn't take long did it ?just WHO would be next.

If we had a referendum tomorrow on the death penalty, it would probably be brought back.

The wisdom of crowds isn't all its cracked up to be.

I don't think Macron said exactly that Ug and polling data has never suggested that it would be so.
It certainly would not be the case now. I have lost count of the number of people who have said that if they had ever thought that leaving the EU might be a good idea, they had changed their minds since seeing the impact of Brexit on the UK.
Or more succinctly, "on a vu la merde qui est Brexit". ???

See, I think that its the inability to understand simple reasoning that got us into this mess.

Population of the UK, 67 milllion.

Number of people who voted to Leave, 17 million.

Difference, 50 million. So, by the rules of simple arithmetic, 50 million people did not vote to leave. Which is what vegansrock said. Not that there were 50 million Remainers.

Now we'll get a lecture about registered voters and so on, as though we're the ones that need this to be explained.

vegansrock

Over 50million British citizens did not vote to leave so why the pretence that the hard Brexit we've been dragged into has some sort of universal support.

Facts and statistics are continually bandied around on here but I am calling BS on your 50m, god knows where you extracted that figure.

There are only 47.6m registered voters for parliamentary elections as of March 2020. In the 2016 referendum there were 46.5m eligible voters of which 30% exercised their right not to vote. 17.4m voted leave, 16.1m voted remain.

Where on earth did you get your 50m remainers from?

The thing is that Poland don’t really want to leave the EU as there are many benefits to them as a poorer nation but they also want to have their own sovereignty. In other words they want to have their cake and eat it. Here in the UK we obeyed most of the rules coming from Brussels but Poland ignores the rules it doesn’t like. In the end the UK left the EU. IMO Poland either leaves the EU or obeys the rules. I don’t think the EU can let them get away with it or the whole system breaks down.

I seem to recall Macron said that he refused to hold an in/out referendum in France because the French would vote to leave.

Scones
Yes I am extremely pleased we left the EU, so what? I’m pleased that something I voted for actually happened! That doesn’t make me alt right wing ?
Aren’t Labour voters happy when Labour win general elections? They should be as it doesn’t happen often!
I’m certain other countries would love to leave the EU, they’re just not given the chance.
Anyway. I’m done with this thread.
Enjoy the rest of your day.

Oh, start a new thread. If you think we could discuss it dispassionately ?

MaizieD I was being polite.

I suspect that nobody ever thinks they have extreme views. I expect that most people think their views are entirely logical.

I really want to talk about the difference between opinion and reality, but its probably not relevant.

Ah well, Right, left, it all depends where the viewer stands, doesn’t it? Like an offensive weapon is the one you’re in front of and a defensive is the one you’re behind.

Such comments perhaps say more about where the commenter stands than the original poster.

When I worked in an inner city school I was viewed as the reactionary right. When I moved to the counties I became the left wing loony. All without changing my political stance one iota ?